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If SWTOR lost 70% of its subs.....

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If SWTOR lost 70% of its subs.....

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shegwood
05.08.2012 , 02:07 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Urdnaxela View Post
unfortunately, in the real world, this is not going to work.

as an example - imagine that someone lend you those 10 bucks, and asks to get 15 back in two weeks. pressure, pressure... you;d end up selling 3 sandwiches, the peanut butter at a lower price than what you bought it for, your knife, the bread and so on just to give back those 15 bucks
First, there's no such thing as a perfect analogy. Otherwise your analogy would be the real thing and you wouldn't need the analogy.

Secondly, this is the second of two posts that I have made in the thread (why I'm bothering is beyond me) as an attempt to explain, in simple terms, my first post. My original point was that money paid for development is gone and future decisions are not made based on money that is gone but instead on the promise of money to be made in the future. So I'll try one last time and then be done with it ...

Suppose I have a project budget of five million dollars. After spending three million I find that my total return only promises to be three million dollars after my initial investment of five million, for a total loss of two million. Do I continue the project? Spoiler alert ... yes.

Now the obvious question becomes "why continue to spend the additional 2 million for a net loss of 2 million?"
The first three million is gone and if I kill the project then I lose all 3 million. If, however, I spend an additional 2 million and finish the project then make back 3 million, then I only lose $2 million. Losing 2 million is not as bad as losing 3 million. In addition, I have a completed project that can possibly continue to generate a profit beyond the projected $3 million.

While a small company would need to find outside backers (to lone me money for bread and peanut butter), BioWare isn't a small company and they likely use internal funding sources for development projects. And again, this is an ANALOGY and there are no perfect analogies.
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rakuenCallisto
05.08.2012 , 02:09 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by CrunkShizzle View Post
exactly
M-rons. All of you.

People care about subs when they directly affect the game's condition and success.

When a game is already sinking because they won't prioritize something as simple and necessary as server population, subs matter.

Now people are not only leaving because there's not enough people to play with - now MORE people are leaving because other people are leaving BECAUSE there are STILL NO FIXES TO SERVER POPULATION!

Now that we have actual numbers of people leaving, you say "people care too much about subs."

The ignorance is staggering.
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Urdnaxela
05.08.2012 , 02:12 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by shegwood View Post
First, there's no such thing as a perfect analogy. Otherwise your analogy would be the real thing and you wouldn't need the analogy.

Secondly, this is the second of two posts that I have made in the thread (why I'm bothering is beyond me) as an attempt to explain, in simple terms, my first post. My original point was that money paid for development is gone and future decisions are not made based on money that is gone but instead on the promise of money to be made in the future. So I'll try one last time and then be done with it ...

Suppose I have a project budget of five million dollars. After spending three million I find that my total return only promises to be three million dollars after my initial investment of five million, for a total loss of two million. Do I continue the project? Spoiler alert ... yes.

Now the obvious question becomes "why continue to spend the additional 2 million for a net loss of 2 million?"
The first three million is gone and if I kill the project then I lose all 3 million. If, however, I spend an additional 2 million and finish the project then make back 3 million, then I only lose $2 million. Losing 2 million is not as bad as losing 3 million. In addition, I have a completed project that can possibly continue to generate a profit beyond the projected $3 million.

While a small company would need to find outside backers (to lone me money for bread and peanut butter), BioWare isn't a small company and they likely use internal funding sources for development projects. And again, this is an ANALOGY and there are no perfect analogies.
reading that part... erm, what do you mean by having 5 millions? what i'm trying to say is that this is EA and EA has shareholders. They WILL cut their loses. Period. There is no certainty that you will get those 3M you speak of, especially since the project is.. well.. dead in the water.

many people do resort to cannibalism in this instance, and try to cut loses some other way. what if you could salvage 2.5M from those 3M already spent and have a total net loss of only 0.5M?

you got me wrong, i don't want to bash you or nothing, but we're both using here analogies and not facts. spoiler alert - we're both speculating. nobody's right.
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blazingg
05.08.2012 , 02:13 PM | #64
Bioware is already on a snails pace with the game they struggle to do anything pvp wise for the game it cost 200-300m to make and you think it would be better off with 500k subs .. there slow now and they have a full team still cant imagine how slow patches would come thru when they let half the dev team go. Not to mention every patch they release it brings 2-3 more good size bugs to deal with.

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Gibbzter
05.08.2012 , 02:15 PM | #65
If subs dropped to 500,000 you would have the fanboys in here saying "500,000 is still a good amount for a new mmo".

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Urdnaxela
05.08.2012 , 02:19 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Gibbzter View Post
If subs dropped to 500,000 you would have the fanboys in here saying "500,000 is still a good amount for a new mmo".
nah, they won't. there's gonna be nobody to preach it to (all of them being fanboys)

on the other hand, maybe they;d just create threads like:

"SWTOR is great, 500k is perfect, post only if you agree" with tons of "/agree" replies :P
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rakuenCallisto
05.08.2012 , 02:21 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Urdnaxela View Post
nah, they won't. there's gonna be nobody to preach it to (all of them being fanboys)

on the other hand, maybe they;d just create threads like:

"SWTOR is great, 500k is perfect, post only if you agree" with tons of "/agree" replies :P
i lol'd.

/agreed.
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rakuenCallisto
05.08.2012 , 02:33 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Gibbzter View Post
If subs dropped to 500,000 you would have the fanboys in here saying "500,000 is still a good amount for a new mmo".
Quoted from other thread mere minutes ago:

Quote: Originally Posted by damican View Post
1.3 million people disagree that bioware messed up.
LOL!
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Taorus
05.08.2012 , 02:35 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by rakuenCallisto View Post
Number of subs = more people to play with.

When all of those subs get cancelled for generally the same reason (Low population, no merges/transfers to fix said low population) it becomes a viscious cycle.

People tend to care about subs because it's a good indicator of what the company is doing right or wrong, but it also gives a clue to the population.

When a game such as SWTOR is having huge issues with the community about server(s) population, and then almost a million people unsub - what do you think that says about the game's current state?
So...this has to be the new math they tried after I left Collage...But, Let me get this Straight. 400k is close to a million? I guess you could say Mos Eisely is close to Dantooine

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Urdnaxela
05.08.2012 , 02:35 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by rakuenCallisto View Post
Quoted from other thread mere minutes ago:



LOL!
"lol" just doesn't fully describe what i just did not even "rofl"
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