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Thank you for making PvP Worse

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Zaodon
05.08.2012 , 11:45 AM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
MMo glider is just an example of a macro based tool. Many are available and they either can't or won't detect them.

Again the point is simple. Once you tie rewards to just participation, you create the loophole to exploit. you can disagree about the extent of the problem but you can't refute the issue.
All Warzones reward participation, pre-today's patch, post today's patch, win or lose.

The only difference between yesterday and today is 99 commendations.

Your entire point that this is a "change" which will "promote cheating/AFKing" is 100% nonsensical and has been disproven many times in this thread.

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Zaodon
05.08.2012 , 11:46 AM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
You don't undertsand how the vote kick works do you? You can't kick a player who is attacking. So your vote kick won't work against a player botting.

They created a loop hole for this botting by changing the way rewards are established. You can reply all you want to, but that is a fact you cannot change.
Again, wrong.

The change today does nothing except reward players 99 commendations a little sooner than before.

It does nothing to encourage using illegal programs which get your account banned.

You lose yet again.

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AngryBuddhist
05.08.2012 , 11:48 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Zaodon View Post
All Warzones reward participation, pre-today's patch, post today's patch, win or lose.

The only difference between yesterday and today is 99 commendations.

Your entire point that this is a "change" which will "promote cheating/AFKing" is 100% nonsensical and has been disproven many times in this thread.
So you still don't understand? The change allows the exploit. when exploits exist people use them.

So you can argue all day if your petty ego requires it. But you are never going to be 'right'.

You simply have an opinion that the exploiting will not be rampant. I am simply stating that the change allows for the exploit.

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Brittaany_Banks
05.08.2012 , 11:50 AM | #54
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
MMo glider is just an example of a macro based tool. Many are available and they either can't or won't detect them.

Again the point is simple. Once you tie rewards to just participation, you create the loophole to exploit. you can disagree about the extent of the problem but you can't refute the issue.
So ok someone uses this program to afk 6 warzones.... they get their 6 completions and 99 rated and regular comms.... however they contributed nothing to the warzone, and gained no medals so they get no xp, no credits, and no comms.

Net gain over 24hr period = 99 rated and regular warzone comms + EXTREME vulnerability to being detected using a third party program and banned.

99 warzone and rated warzone comms a week = 693 for both. Just enough to buy ONE piece of battlemaster equipment. Again screaming to the sky over something that is not going to give ANYONE an advantage over an ATK player.
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Agooz
05.08.2012 , 11:50 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Zaodon View Post
All Warzones reward participation, pre-today's patch, post today's patch, win or lose.

The only difference between yesterday and today is 99 commendations.

Your entire point that this is a "change" which will "promote cheating/AFKing" is 100% nonsensical and has been disproven many times in this thread.
LOL now we're adding the imaginary "cheating" argument on top of the "AFK" argument. Anyone else what to add things that were never brought up in the OP? It's "Let me sound like I know what I am talking about regardless of what the OP says Day!".

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Zaodon
05.08.2012 , 11:50 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by AngryBuddhist View Post
So you still don't understand? The change allows the exploit.
100% proven false.

Anyone using a bot program could use it yesterday, match after match, and gain commendations. And, statistically, they would end up in winning matches at some rate, thus completing their dailies (which required WINS ONLY) using said cheating programs.

The ONLY DIFFERENCE between yesterday and today, is that the daily now completes after 6 warzones no matter the outcome instead of after "X" where "X" was a variable.

Today's patch does NOTHING WHATSOEVER to ENCOURAGE the use of a cheating program.
You have been summarily owned.

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KryptikX
05.08.2012 , 11:51 AM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Zaodon View Post
Again, cognitive dissonance.
Oi... please stop misusing that term!

Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 comms. Go directly back to Intro Psychology
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Zaodon
05.08.2012 , 11:52 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by KryptikX View Post
Oi... please stop misusing that term!

Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 comms. Go directly back to Intro Psychology
Hmm, yeah, not misusing it. Try Google.

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Hethroin
05.08.2012 , 11:54 AM | #59
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Warzones
Daily Warzone missions now require the completion of 6 Warzone matches. Losing a match counts as 1 completion towards this goal, while winning a match counts as 2 completions.
Is this a six page thread about how the above note will change nothing in this game for those that care about winning, but will allow people that just want to "finish the daily" to just "finish the daily"?

Maybe we should change the daily to "Spend 2 hours logged in" so that people on low pop servers can get theirs done too. I used to "play" a game like that, it was called progressquest.
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Duvodiad
05.08.2012 , 11:54 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Agooz View Post
So now not only do we have to deal with people who dont care about PvP gear and waltz right in with 0-100 expertise on them, we also have to deal with them no caring about doing anything at all during the game. Awesome decision.

This reminds me of those elementary schools that make the students play competitive sports but without win/loose scenarios. Everyone gets a lollypop.

Great Job PvP Team. You're on a roll.
I have a question: Why would a person not interested in PVP gear/PVPing join a warzone to get a mark on a daily to gain rewards to buy said PVP gear? Beyond this, if they were here yesterday, and you hate that they do not use PVP gear, what is wrong with them having more comms to spend on said gear? Although, spending on said gear seems silly, since they didn't like it yesterday and therefore shouldn't like it today anyway. BEYOND that, doesn't this benefit you? NOW when you are paired with them, you still get a mark on your daily, and can therefore get YOUR gear faster, or whatever it is you spend said comms on. I really see no degradation to you here.

Quote: Originally Posted by Agooz View Post
It's not about a combat log or people going afk. I am saying they just made it so there is absolutely NO INCENTIVE to try hard.
Now you've broken from the argument that players who hate or do not use gear had an Incentive based on comms and gear. Beyond that, another poster said it best with his quote on the comms math:

Quote: Originally Posted by Arrys View Post
I like the change but I get 99 and 99.

I win and get 120/30= 40 ranked WZ while the daily is 99 Ranked + 99/30 or 129 ranked you can see a single daily nets you out above the ranked WZ reward of 3 wins by 3 commendations if you got 120 WZ commendations per win.

There is every incentive to win.

Now figure in a loss you get around 60 commendations or 20 ranked and you'll see the overall reward between winning and losing is roughly equivalent in ranked WZ's through completion of daily. The winners advantage comes from time and in the time you lose 6 a premade will win 6 coming out 120 ranked commednations ahead or so over that time period.
As you can see, mathematically the players winning still get more. Again, I do not understand why this is an issue.

Quote: Originally Posted by Agooz View Post
Why are people on the bandwagon of AFK and Votekick?? Where in the OP did I mention ANYTHING about AFK??
You mentioned that players without expertise will now do nothing and allow the match to culminate in a loss. Please, what is the difference between being AFK and that? I would very much like to know.

Quote: Originally Posted by Agooz View Post
AFK? show me where in my OP I complained about AFK and I will be quiet. Again, you just proved you are creating imaginary arguments in your head.
I suppose, unless you can bring a valid argument against my last comment, that you must be quiet now?
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