Subs down 25%

While 25% is actually above the typical MMO curve, you're right. There is no indication that it won't keep falling. Nor is there any indication that it will.

So would you be happy to lose another 25% after 3 more months? I don't think its retention is good at all unless new subs are injected. I just want TOR to succeed!

Being such an experienced cyber-sleuth, I'm sure you can direct us to the offensive code being used to datamine files on the hard drive unrelated to Origin, right? You know, other than game statistics which just about every online game service collects for quality assurance purposes? Can you tell us how to protect our delicious virgin files from the evil lecherous EA overlords? Our files taste so much sweeter when kept pure!

Okay, I REALLY need to be getting to bed.

Giving everyone a free month is a pretty big indicator to me..

seen screenshots of it browsing through someone's tax filing program.

You want to tell me that's cool?

Ladies & Gentlemen, I present to you the "appeal to ignorance" fallacy. It's unfortunate, but bad logic can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.

I got it for my xbox. Didn't need Origin.

Ladies & Gentlemen, I present to you the "appeal to ignorance" fallacy. It's unfortunate, but bad logic can have a strong influence on the weak-minded.

well like you said that most people who are still sub are paying so it does sorta give the indication of true retention. tho i must say if bioware doesnt give new content quickly people are gona start unsubing for real reasons other then not wanting to pay. half the people i know who unsubed said they plan to play the game in like a year when theres a lot more content and then judge it then.

Source, please?

Accusations of spying
Origin's End-user license agreement (EULA) gives EA permission to collect information about users' computers regardless of its relation to the Origin program itself, including "application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware."[35] Initially, the EULA also contained a passage permitting EA to more explicitly monitor activity as well as to edit or remove material at their discretion.[36] However, this section was removed following an outcry over privacy implications. That outcry was fueled in part by pictures and video captured by several German gamers which showed Origin accessing tax programs and other unrelated software, as well as a report by the newspaper Der Spiegel investigating the allegations.[37][38][39] In response to the controversy, EA issued a statement claiming they "do not have access to information such as pictures, documents or personal data, which have nothing to do with the execution of the Origin program on the system of the player, neither will they be collected by us."[40] EA also added a sentence to the EULA stating that they would not "use spyware or install spyware on users' machines," though users must still consent to allowing EA to collect information about their computers.[41]