Subs down 25%

I hope that is sarcasm about Guild Wars? Cause Guild Wars is not an MMO, never was, even the developers never stated it was an MMO, they stated it as a Cooperative Online Role Playing game. So of course that site wouldn't list Guild Wars since it is not an MMO. With that being said, I agree that site is not a good source of information at all, cause nothing can be verified.

By the way, Guild Wars 2 will be Arenanets first MMO.

Heh, i hate to disagree, but there were MANY times SWTOR Devs got snarky about how they were going to revolutionize MMOs and took stabs at WoW and other MMOs.

Not a matter of being hung up over it dude. But a matter of trying to understand what they consider to be a quarter report using what months for each quarter. And really, donot try to come across as being superior, it only makes you look inferior when you do. Be helpful instead. I am not at all familiar with how these corporations make thier reports.

Elder Scrolls has just been announced and already there is a brewing controversy from those who wanted them to stick to single-player RPG and those interested in Bethesda's attempt at an MMO. The same thing happened with SWTOR and those who really wanted KOTOR 3 instead. I am very interested to see what they come up with, but it will be a battle for them and those loyal to their established lines.

Yes, you still got counted.

The only thing where it really "rewrites" the genre, is the sense of unspoken jolly cooperation, where you're playing WITH people around you rather than competing with them over spawns, resources, etc. Everywhere else, you see other players, even your own faction, as competition.

Did Warhammer have it so that no matter who hit the mob first, everyone who attacked the mob got exp and loot from it? Did Warhammer or Rift have it so that everyone can loot a resource node and everyone gets mats from it? Did Warhammer and Rift have it so that every class can res in combat, and in fact gets rewarded exp and public quest progress for doing so?

I didn't play either, so I don't know.. but from what I've heard, neither game conveyed a feeling of cooperation and camraderie the way GW2 does, and that in of itself, is a big change to the genre. It seems like such a natural thing to want to help other people on your side, but for a decade MMO's have conditioned you not to, that it ruins their exp without giving you any exp, etc.

Hell, here they almost had the ressing thing going on, with everyone being able to res out of combat.. then they slapped a 15 minute cooldown on it unless you were a designated holy trinity healing class. Really Bioware? Really? Does it really hurt to allow people to res each other out of combat without a cooldown?

Sorry, just a random in-particular, but on topic post.

With horses it's normally called a trifecta. All a gamble on the long shot of this is what the "numbers" show as the best outcome to gamble on because they "always" (ALMOST/SOMETIMES) do it this way. Gambling, you win some, lose most, and lost your shirt when it rolls bad.

On another note: As I understand it the subscriptions are not "trial" or "free" with the game, but Paid, active, subscriptions. So a good question is that 1.3 Million Subscribers and "others", or "new" rules? And as pointed out, the free month give-away was after the report was published to EA, Same as the other 38 new countries.

As of September 11, 2011 WoW was down to 10.3 Million subscribers. Another note is the 1 Million plus paying subscribers that WoW lost in the last 3 months, according to the BBC. Also the numbers of paid subscribers that have been bleeding out in the 100's of thousands prior to that. Then count that with the recent numbers that Blizz added in US, EU, Asia, and Brazil to the combine all the sub numbers. And don't forget all those people that are currently locked into the "Annual Pass" until their time finally expires and they can decide what they will do next.

I think you are wrong, while they will report within a strict time period its common to see stats being thrown about which are neither timely accurate or relevant (to the quarterly report). The report, which I suspect not one person who has posted in this thread will ever see, will contain the information as you expect.

I fail to see why Guild Wars isnt considered an MMO.....

"REDWOOD CITY, CA – May 7, 2012 – Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ: EA) today announced
preliminary financial results for its fourth fiscal quarter and fiscal year ended March 31, 2012".

Their comments about subscribers as of end of April was ancilliary to their earnings report, offered as information to investors. It was not offically part of their 4th quarter reporting.