Subs down 25%

Why do you say its the second largest. Thats completely false.
Aion has more players.
Heck,
Free Worlds has more players.
I can think of lots of MMOs with more players.

See, the thing is the numbers are always changing, and anything they give you is a "snapshot" and they know it, so they have to tell you the snapshot date.

If you try to make more sense out of it then that, you are just going to get a headache. Head over to http://mmodata.blogspot.com/ and spend some time looking at the charts over there. You will notice that over time MMOs subscriber numbers go up down up down. Probably the most consistent one is actually EVE Online. My point being is they fluctuate over time. Sometimes something an MMO producer does causes a big move (like an expansion), sometimes other factors in the market cause moves. They just are not predictable, particlarly for MMOs which have a lot of inactive accounts baked in that can reactivate over a short period of time.

1.3 million subs..second largest mmo. Sorry bubbas not failing anytime soon

So... if you never subscribe you arent counted?

Doesnt that still mean you LOST subs?

Thats some (to quote Bush) damn fuzzy math there...

Corporations play smoke and mirror games when it comes to quarterly Reports.

Here what they did was put in the free month sub so they could cover the first quarterly report and make the numbers look better than they actually are. If they went with actual active players that actually log into the game and play, you would see that that number is far lower than 1.3 mil.

Smoke and Mirrors, limit the damage of a failed strategy of copying WoW when they should have built a game that challenged their player-base while offering next generation game play.

the 2nd and 3rd quarter results will be quite telling if they don't find a way to smoke and mirror their way out again tbh.

You dodged the question.

If this game did not have the Star Wars license, would you pay $15 a month for it?

it would be ludicrous to assume that the majority of those didn't activate their game. Granted there will be some, but it would be reasonable to believe that it would be very very few that would do that. Not that many people buy an MMO and never activate it.

they replaced tinfoil with aluminum foil shortly after WW2...

AND we all know aluminum foil doesn't block the mind reading satellite the CIA, which is run by the shape shifting interdimensional lizards of the Drakonian brotherhood, uses ...

You're kidding right?

1.3 million subs, down from 1.7 million 2 months earlier, and 2 million copies sold 2 months before that. Yay for mediocrity?

Considering that WoW lost 2 million subs in one year and seems to be just barely holding onto 10 million I think that after their next expansion drops their subs will go up and then they'll drop even more. I think what can be learned from seeing MMOs post-WoW is that the market is becoming bigger, people have more choices, and because of that even the king of the hill is going to feel that pain. I really don't see it being too much longer before we see WoW with half the subs it has today. That game was a phenomenon that will likely never happen again.

Top 10 Pay-To-Play MMORPGs

1) World of Warcraft
The best MMORPG yet because WoW mixes the right amount of depth and simplicity better than any other game in the history of the genre.

2) Rift
Rift has to be considered as one of the most polished MMO games since WoW. The rifts in the game are the best example of public questing so far. In fact, Rift is one of the best games to avoid grinding because there is so much for players to do.

3) Eve Online
The best sci-fi MMORPG with player-run corporations and a thriving economy.

4) Darkfall
Innovative MMO game that focuses on giving players as much freedom as possible.

5) Aion
Aion sports many of the features that made WoW a success but still retains its own personality with characters being able to fly and its PvPvE system.

6) City of Heroes/City of Villains - Game Lair
Combined, City of Heroes and City of Villains are easily the second best MMORPG for casual gamers. With the addition of the well-balanced villain types and the use of bases, City of Villains completes the potential that fans have been craving for ever since City of Heroes launched. To top it off, hardcore gamers now also have a reason to like CoH/CoV with its ultra-quick PvP.

7) Champions Online
Although Champions Online does not appear to be quite the blockbuster to send the Superhero genre to the next level, the game sports one of the best character customization tools yet. Champions Online will be going free-to-play on January 25th.

8) Dark Age of Camelot
Has usually been one the best major MMORPG for PvP combat due to its 3 realm system. Also, DAOC has remained one of the steadiest MMORPGs over the years in terms of quality. However, the game is starting to show its age and other MMOs have incorporated similar or better PvP systems.

9) DC Universe Online
Quite a simply a dream come true for comic book and super hero fans. DC Universe Online boasts quite a PvE/PvP package for a super hero-themed game.

10) Age of Conan
Mature-themed MMO with brutal combat and large-scale warfare. Also has a single-player mode in the first phase of game where each player can wreak havoc at night alone. Has lost a lot of the steam that it once had due to primarily to changes in PVP and lack of solid PvE after level 20. However, Age of Conan has recovered after a somewhat rocky start with several major improvements.

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No matter where I look I don't see SWTOR!!!!