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Andryah
05.07.2012 , 08:07 PM | #841
Quote: Originally Posted by Oddzball View Post
So... if you never subscribe you arent counted?

Doesnt that still mean you LOST subs?
No it does not. They could in fact sell 20 million boxes (an extremism to make a point) and if only 2 million of those boxes were ever installed and accounts set up, then they have 18 million sold but not subscribed.

Now, for a boxed game with 30 FREE DAYS, they do not bill you account UNTIL your 30 days are up. Yeah, you have to set up a subscrition, but for accounting purposes, they don't have a subscription until they bill your credit card.

Game cards are a lttle different, but they are not a majority of MMO subscriptions so they are more noise then substance in the question at hand.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Wolfeisberg
05.07.2012 , 08:07 PM | #842
Quote: Originally Posted by Varteras View Post
Your signature also cherry picks the information. Because maybe you overlooked what I am about to have bolded from that same statement in the same paragraph that goes along with what I just said.

"Through the end of the quarter, approximately 2.4 million units have sold through. In our last
call we indicated that we had 1.7 million active subscribers, and as of the end of April we now
have 1.3 million, with a substantial portion of the decrease due to casual and trial players
cycling out of the subscriber base, driving up the overall percentage of paying subscribers."
No, I was merely stating and proving that the sub numbers come from the end of april, not the end of March. I was correcting you since you stated the end of march, which was not true. That is all.
How do you measure the success of an MMO?
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JeramieCrowe
05.07.2012 , 08:08 PM | #843
Quote: Originally Posted by BlkBullitt View Post
It's ok man, we all have faith in the beginning too you just choose to keep drinking the kool-aid
Well, I bought, subbed, and stuck with Rift for almost a year. And they launched and added less content, including endgame, than TOR has so far. Quantifiably. Look it up. Why wouldn't I stay subbed here?
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DarthVindictus
05.07.2012 , 08:08 PM | #844
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Yes, I would. Because it's BioWare, the best storytellers in the genre. If it wasn't Star Wars, it'd be Mass Effect, or Dragon Age, or something comparable. I suppose you're going to retort now with some kind of unquantifiable "low standards" insult?
No, I'm going to say you dodged the question yet again. I'm not asking about whether you'd play the game based on story. I'm asking whether you'd play the game based on MECHANICS, because that is the part where I feel this game falls well short of the mark.

The game has some great stories and great writing. However that does not make it a great MMO.

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CrunkShizzle
05.07.2012 , 08:09 PM | #845
Quote: Originally Posted by LordPhelan View Post
The issue isn't the number of players really, its the number of players spread out amongst far too many servers. Server merges would go a LONG way to remove the feeling of playing " SWTOR: I Am Legend ".
ya,im sure server merges are gonna come.right after they implement the worthless achievement system that the community wants right

el o el.

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JeramieCrowe
05.07.2012 , 08:09 PM | #846
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthVindictus View Post
No, I'm going to say you dodged the question yet again. I'm not asking about whether you'd play the game based on story. I'm asking whether you'd play the game based on MECHANICS, because that is the part where I feel this game falls well short of the mark.

The game has some great stories and great writing. However that does not make it a great MMO.
Responded above. TOR has more MMO in it than Rift even did at launch and for the subsequent 4 months.
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Scrubtastic
05.07.2012 , 08:10 PM | #847
Quote: Originally Posted by LordPhelan View Post
The issue isn't the number of players really, its the number of players spread out amongst far too many servers. Server merges would go a LONG way to remove the feeling of playing " SWTOR: I Am Legend ".
You keep thinking that buddy.

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BlkBullitt
05.07.2012 , 08:11 PM | #848
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Responded above. TOR has more MMO in it than Rift even did at launch and for the subsequent 4 months.
You're kidding right?

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Oddzball
05.07.2012 , 08:11 PM | #849
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
No it does not. They could in fact sell 20 million boxes (an extremism to make a point) and if only 2 million of those boxes were ever installed and accounts set up, then they have 18 million sold but not subscribed.

Now, for a boxed game with 30 FREE DAYS, they do not bill you account UNTIL your 30 days are up. Yeah, you have to set up a subscrition, but for accounting purposes, they don't have a subscription until they bill your credit card.

Game cards are a lttle different, but they are not a majority of MMO subscriptions so they are more noise then substance in the question at hand.
But its not like 1.1 million people bought the game and chose not to install it. They bought the game. Didnt like it, and chose not to subscribe. How is this not counted as lost subs? That just seems dumb to me...

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Sammm
05.07.2012 , 08:12 PM | #850
Wow, I'm impressed! Still 1.3M, much more than I expected. Indeed, that's very good.
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