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Dezzi
05.07.2012 , 05:45 PM | #661
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
NO, I am not wrong. Go back and read what they said, without injecting your own personal bias into it.

I'm not saying that casuals are not leaving the game. I am sure some are, and I am sure Bioware is surprised that any would leave so early in the game.

But the hardcore PvP and the hardcore PvE have consumed and moved on in large numbers (as evidenced by mass exodus of very lare hardcore guilds on a good number of the servers. There is nothing to thank them for, they are as usual a negative detriment to the game because they don't really care about the game, only about themselves and their personal hardcore experience.
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Update: In a conference call this afternoon, EA said the decrease was indeed due to "casual and trial players" cycling out of the game.
http://kotaku.com/5908338/star-wars-...00-subscribers
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Overtone
05.07.2012 , 05:45 PM | #662
Can we get server mergers now please?!
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
If I can use blue 46s armorings/mods/enhancements in all of my armor and mh/oh and have competitive stats in a PvP environment, why cant I use that same gear to be competitive in PvE?
Seems like a double standard to me.

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DorkTrooper
05.07.2012 , 05:45 PM | #663
Dang, some people left. I guess that means I shouldn't enjoy the game anymore.

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Wolfeisberg
05.07.2012 , 05:47 PM | #664
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
Let's see here: 2 million copies sold/given away of RIFT. Subs now at 250k.

I'd say TOR is doing great. Still way above the typical MMO dropoff curve.

What's important now is what BioWare does from now on. That's where we'll see if this game will break the mold or not. Transfer/shut-downs and endgame content needs to come soon if they're to have any real shot at the atypical increase in subs.
Proof of 2 million copies sold of Rift?
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levitacus
05.07.2012 , 05:47 PM | #665
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthOvertone View Post
You are wrong on this point. According to EA, it is the casuals, not the hardcore gamers, that have been leaving this game in droves. The hardcore players are what's currently keeping the wheels turning. You should thank them.




Too bad his assumptions were factually wrong. But bad assumptions have never gotten in the way of a good read have they? lol




If you read the EA Q4 Script, you should be very concerned about this title going F2P. EA wants to push microtransactions across the board on all their titles. I'm sure SWTOR is in their sights.

just out of curiousity what is considered hardcore anymore ? in vanilla that certain other game ppl like to name drop i raided religously was playing north of 50hrs a week working for top tier gear, through the 3rd expansion i played what was generally considered casual no hardmode raids no set timeframes etc..., here it's mix and match for me but is it time that determines hardcore,progression,number of high lvl toons, titles or skill? furthermore at the end of the day it is a game a game is designed to be played so what does it matter how intensly you play r u somehow more valuable to a sub based game if u have more time devoted even though bioware gets the same amount of money from you?

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Overtone
05.07.2012 , 05:48 PM | #666
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
http://kotaku.com/5908338/star-wars-...00-subscribers
How in th hell can they be sure it wasn't the "hard core" people that left?
Quote: Originally Posted by cashogy_reborn View Post
If I can use blue 46s armorings/mods/enhancements in all of my armor and mh/oh and have competitive stats in a PvP environment, why cant I use that same gear to be competitive in PvE?
Seems like a double standard to me.

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JeramieCrowe
05.07.2012 , 05:48 PM | #667
Quote: Originally Posted by Wolfeisberg View Post
umm, mind showing some links about 2 million accounts? Or are you talking about the 2 million forums accounts that also include forum accounts of people who never bought the game, since Rift allowed anybody create a forum account before launch of the game, and those accounts never got deleted.
People are making a correlation from overall TOR sales to current subs, so I did the same. RIFT sold/gave away close to 2 million boxes, and they're now at 250k subs.

Even if you want to go by subs alone, and not sales, Rift went from 600k subs to 250k subs, a decrease of 58%. TOR is still well above that curve.
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mothermonterr
05.07.2012 , 05:49 PM | #668
Quote: Originally Posted by SajmanPeetee View Post
Actually, it doesn't. Anyone that cancelled after receiving their free month does not qualify as an active subscriber. There's actually more than 1.3 million.
"EA to end the recent quarter with about 1.6 million active subscribers — defined as those paying for subscriptions along with players who are still in the free month.."

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Liquidacid
05.07.2012 , 05:49 PM | #669
Quote: Originally Posted by levitacus View Post
just out of curiousity what is considered hardcore anymore ?
even tho I only play an hour or two a day while I play I shotgun beers then crush the cans on my forehead... that makes me a "hardcore" player
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Andryah
05.07.2012 , 05:50 PM | #670
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
http://kotaku.com/5908338/star-wars-...00-subscribers
Did you listen to the conference call? Or are you just parroting what you see on the internet?

What they were talking about is people who installed the game, but never resubbed after 30 days free play was done + trial accounts that did not convert.
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