Subs down 25%

I've read every official statement on this and every article, The number of people leaving per day and Hour was never officially mentioned.

Yes there was a 400k sub loss. TBH I expected it to be larger, due to MMO hoppers getting a new product and Single game players only subbing long enough to see story content. However playing MMO's since Ultima Online, and being pretty damn active in every community I've been a part of. I can say this is normal, esp in the last few years, still having 1.3 is good news losing players is never good, however still having more than any other subscription based game (sans WoW.) is still impressive. I'm not going to throw a party, or even pretend like it's great news. it's pretty much expected, however like I said there are more active subs than I honestly thought there would be. I was guessing it would be in the 700k area.

A. I don't have any reason to beleive what EA tells their investors.

B. I wonder what their reported sub numbers would have been for this game had it not been star wars.

400000 is a lot of people but you know what 1300000 is a lot more people. What this means is that 3/4 people are not unhappy enough to leave swtor yet. Who knows what fraction of the 400000 will come back with the release of new meaningful content. What percentage canceled for financial reasons, the econemy is not great right now. There are too many unknowables to make meaningful conclusions.

This is the only industry I know of where a 76% approval rating is a bad thing. BW is set to make Millions of dollars off SWTOR every year until they really screw it up. 1.2 was badly handled but that is one update, how many other MMO's had a bad update dropped subs, then turned it around with a good update. Look at LOTRO they bombed that game with a bad expansion (MOM), they bombed it further with a 2nd bad expansion (SOM), then they turned it around with a very good expansion.

Bioware... bad expansions(updates) ignore the player.... good updates give the player (customer) what they want.

Anyone find it ironic that the Dev Tracker shows a flurry of responses today?

Thanks, this is useful, as the link published by the OP implied that this was a end-of-quarter count (i.e. March 31).

Pot meet Kettle

^^^ qtf

It's an average, my friend.

2/2.2 million is what they sold when they had 1.7 million subscribers. To believe that 300,000-500,000 never activated their game would be lubricious. At the very least they lost 700,000 players since december.

These numbers are not good. The game dropped to 1.3 million subs by the end of march. Well less than 4 months after release. That has to be disappointing. On top of that there really wasn't any big competition released in that time frame.

Also, if their explaination is that it was alot of people who bought the game and then opted out of the subscription because they were casual / non mmo players, then shouldn't the starting number be more like 2.2 million since they said the sold over 2 million copies?

I also have a hard time believing that the numbers won't dropped more (and probably already have) with all the low popualtion servers. I still play this game alot but over the weekend was waiting 20-30 minutes for warzones and playing through black hole dailies with less than 5 people out there. Often times the fleets had less than 20.

I don't think the game will completely die, but I think they are going to settle in at a much smaller player base than they could have had. If they don't take quick actions on items like server transfers/merges, ranked pvp, cross server pvp and lfg tools they might not end up with enough subscriptions to stay profitable.