Undying Rage: The Final Word

No. Good marauders and sentinels typically agree Force Fade was way better than UR, though nobody cried about it, because Force Fade doesn't help you DO DEEPS. People are so stupid, damage is all they can wrap their head around.

Well imagine if you were tank specced and you had more defensive CD's than you currently have, it could throw off balance on pve quite a lot and throw off the balance of PT tanks in pvp quite a lot too.

You have Electro Dart, it breaks on damage? http://www.torhead.com/ability/9GX16Xs/electro-dart No it doesn't it'd be labelled as so like Intimidating Roar http://www.torhead.com/ability/3UOGX...imidating-roar !!!

Seriously if these forums weren't so well moderated i'd call you so many names.

99% reduction doesn't equal immunity.

I've seen no post in this thread why Undying Rage is really over powered, just bads that don't know how to use their other skills to stop a marauder.

Pretty sure a 40% damage reduction for 10 seconds will absorb more damage than Undying Rage will and that's not over powered.

Hey!I'm a balance specced sage,most of my abilities are dots that kick in over the second half of the fight.
I'm not healer specced and my heal if used in a fight,isn't worth a 3 second cast time,is very interruptable and heals for like 2-3k.
I would like my 5 second godmode ability for when I'm 20% health to show you what a mistake you made.
Thank you!

80% of all undying rage QQ is from this happening
the other 20% is probably from seeing a marauder in a premade fighting pugs have his friend heal him while in UR with only 5% heal and see him get healed to 80% when there are 4 -5 ppl targeting him instead of attacking the healer- which should be your primary target anyway.

Wow the double whammy of ignorant, incorrect statements from a bias, desperate marauder player.

Shocker.

Rebuttal -

Yes 99% is literally 1% from full immunity. For all intensive purposes, it is full immunity for 5s. And yes, everyone knows to stun them during that. They have so many defensive cooldowns that most don't know how to use correctly, and it still doesn't matter. I have one stun, you have one stun break.

No 40% mitigation over 10s will almost never reduce more damage than undying rage. It all of course depends on when you use it, which for a marauder is close to death while being focused, and for a jugg at full health, but 99% mitigation will beat 40% nearly every time because of burst vs sustained damage prevention. It doesn't matter though because this is a red herring argument. Even if invincible did mitigate more damage (it doesn't), that's not a valid argument for why undying rage is not overpowered. If anything, it would just mean that, yes 40% damage reduction is pretty much the next best def cd in the game. Compare it to the 25% mercs get for example, and that's ALL they have.

people really, really aren't getting it so I'll make an attempt to explain it, Marauder is the best 1v1 class in the game, with the possible exception of damage tankasin, if your any other class than another marauder or a sin, your chances of survival against a skilled marauder are very, very low, however the game is not balanced around 1v1 combat it is balanced around 3v3's and 4v'4's, the dynamics of those fights are completely different so I won't even discuss 1v1

if Marauders were so powerful why do they almost never get the top dps in the warzone? for top dps , I almost always see bounty hunters sometimes three or four of them at the top.

The most popular spec for marauder right now is annihilation so I'll base a lot of what I say on a battle-master annihilation marauder,

assassins and marauders have very good survivability cool-downs because they are not ranged, they have a gap closer but it doesn't work on enemies under cover and it has a 12 second CD, they can only break CC once every two minutes and can be kited easily. In PvE they take damage from AoE boss effects have much less ability to avoid damage in general since they have to be within melee, take Gharj for example, melee dps does about half of ranged dps in that fight since your either running to a new island or avoiding Gharj's pounce half the fight and not doing damage. while ranged dps just plug away. Same with flashpoints, ranged dps is almost always prefered for HM flashpoints and operations so they must not be too overpowered.

In PvP marauders have the worst CC's in the game bar none, winning the warzones isn't about doing a lot of damage or soloing people, its about objectives and CC is a huge part of that, well timed CC's in voidstar and huttball can be much more important than a kill. As for interrupts sure they have them on 6s cooldown but they won't use them nearly as much as ranged classes because they have to be in melee range to use them. There will necessarily be downtime in their ability to use them just because they won't be on target whenever its available, as an assassin I used Jolt in combat pretty much on cooldown since it had a good range, I probably use disrupt in combat around every 12 seconds against good playersif i'm lucky if they are good at kiting and CC it might be more like once every 15 seconds.

as for undying rage itself, i agree that it is a very powerful DCD but it's also the most predictable DCD in the game, you know for certain its going to be used at 15-20% health and not before, during this time you can either kited/rooted/KB'ed or you could blow your own defensive coolodowns. After Undying rage wears off the marauder will have around 5-8% health and can be killed with one attack.

juggernaut dps is currently very underpowered relative to other classes so I didn't include them in my analysis.

people roll marauders because they look really cool they dance around in combat have beautiful fluid motions and two lightsabers, which is why the are so common now that they are finally viable

Which touches on the larger issue with Marauders. Ranged DPS classes are still racking up the DPS in WZs, more so with the expertise buff of 1.2. It's just more personal and thus more upsetting when you lose a 1v1 fight to a Marauder, than seeing a target on your back and then dropping without seeing who fired the shot.

No it doesn't work with the "because i say". Maybe you need to look of the definition of immunity. And the rest of your first little paragraph there just get's into 1v1 situations.

Mercs also get ranged and heavy armor and you boo hoo'ing because you don't know how to use your abilities doesn't make undying rage overpowered.

Pocket healer and/or medpaks = GODMODE. They are even more lopsided when not 1v1.

So the marauders on your server suck?


You forgot the part up to the UDR where the other classes have to blow their CC/ST/KB just to make the fight interesting(and filling up your resolve bar in the process). Fist pumping Sith? LOL really, really, read the yellow line....