Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

Has never happened in WoW, the most popular MMO in history. You seem to be seeing ghosts where there are none my friend.

I have 7 lvl 85's and am leveling a shammy right now, I do both structured guild raids and lfg runs. I have never considered turning my back on regular guild runs just because there is a LFG tool.


You are the one generalizing that a LFG tool will destroy everything, not me. You are the guy who claimed WoW was a raid only game, but now you claim more then 50% don;t raid, so which one is it?

I wonder where you get your number that over half of WoW accounts never do any raids though, you have some kind of hard fact list showing this (request link)? In my experience most people do some form of raids, this is easily discovered by looking at the gear people wear at max level. Dungeons and raids have gear rating numbers and if they are wearing the soulbound gear, obviously they did raid, lol.


You still seem to be wanting a mostly solo game, not a MMO. The point of a MMO is to eventually be doing things large groups do, not 1 person, otherwise you may as well erase the "MM".

I agree this game has great potential plus I love the storylines.

Guess what, the raiding is part of the storyline in case you missed that part, kind of sad that part of the story is out of reach for over 80% of the paying population.



That part was not opinion, it was game mechanic fact. The better gear has higher stats for example, gear you can only get through raids. All the other aspects of the game are meant to be supportive elements for that endgame content. As I said above, the story continues "past" the single player stuff.

What are you wanting to say? That we should all read a book and stop reading before we read the last chapter? The desire to read that last chapter is bad?

You are obviously just trolling with that comment.

Go look on wowprogress and see the fact that there are more guilds now than ever, more people experiencing endgame content now than ever, more success per account than ever, and yes, Blizz is making a lot of money with increasing memberships. All of this shows that their LFG tools are a resounding success and has made their community better and allowed more players to learn to be better players.

Would that not include your opinions?


At least I offer hard facts you can check yourself (go look at wowprogress to see all the many successful guilds out there) and all you have is this feeling you want to make everyone else stop wanting to raid.

Lots of leaps in this post.

BioWare, if they're smart businesspeople, will put features into the game that will get them more subscriptions. This means a balancing act of keeping current players happy while attracting new players. It probably also means re-attracting people who have cancelled their subs and if people answered their cancel survey honestly BioWare knows what to do to get them back.

SWG was destroyed because SOE implemented features that a whole lot of players hated. I don't know if SOE did that in response to a few whiners, because some developer lead had an ego complex, or for any of a brazillion other reasons.

But I don't think for a second BioWare would completely re-vamp the game just because a few whiners whine. They seem to be very cautious and methodical and (correctly) pay more attention to empirical data than the vocal minority of players who troll the forums.

They'll cater to whatever brings in more subs and therefore more money. Obviously, many of us are going to disagree on what that entails. Many of us actually like the game and are enjoying it, but there are things that would make the experience better. Discussing those things is one of the purposes of these forums. Apparently, you're only interested in people praising the game and falling to their knees and worshiping James and Daniel...see how generalization can work?

Like all of these but could do without #3. I don't much care what type of server players I group with come from, as long as they have the ability to get the content done. It's a bonus if they share additional similar interests beyond wanting to do a flashpoint, but it's not necessary 100% of the time.

By your opinion


Congratz on completing nerfed to the ground raids.

FYI, this is not WoW

It sure isn't. WoW didn't start losing subs until they crested 12,000,000, had been in production about 7 years, and announced an add-on release clearly aimed at a young audience (Kung-Fu Panda + Pokemon FTW).

SWTOR started losing subs a few short months into its life after a peak of 1,700,000 players.

This game could stand to be a whole lot more like WoW.

No, I am just someone trying to keep this game SW:TOR and not turning into yet another worn out complete copy of WoW. Simply because something being implemented will make the game easier for you does not at all mean it is a good idea to do it. I have seen much more people, both in game and on the forums, who are against a LFG tool than those for it because we all know how horrible it made WoW and we would all unsub if they put one in. You are complaining now that the game needs an LFG tool or will fade and die out, it will die out even faster if they implement one.

The game does need server merges. I said that in another forum thread about LFG tools. But it does not at all need an easy button to form parties simply because people are lazy. What people really need to start doing is learning how to use the current LFG tool in the game right now. Either put yourself in the state and wait, or look for others yourself. If everyone on a server was actually using this when they wanted to do something, no one would be complaining about needing an easy button party former.

Two months? Really? The only official statement was a vague 'early summer' reference and being as everything else has taken longer than promised and there is a lot of decisions and coding to do before we actually get there we can't say when this option will be available.

In the same vein, just because they offer free moves now, that is no gurantee they will offer then for free again but you miss the most important part of the issue.

The inability to play the game as a MMO while we wait now and should our new server decline there is the inability to play the game as a MMO then as well. The real point is where is the "MM" in our MMO?


You seem to be the guy getting all upset that paying customers are showing concern over real issues we are having with our game. If you believe everything is awsome and great why are you here trying to bother us? We are here because we can't find anyone to get groups together with, I believe even guys like you should be able to understand why not having enough players on a server to form a group would be a little difficult to accept to those of us who are paying to play a MMO.

The unsub option is what many people have already done, this is why our servers have gone from active to empty. How many people have to vote with their feet before the point is made?

But that #3 is part of building and preserving communities across the servers. By limiting the pool of cross-server people to the same broad server type you increase the chances of finding the kinds of friends in a cross-server group you would want in your guild or to guild with. Having that serves *exactly* the same function as havnig the server-types to begin with and shouldn't be eliminated.

The big objection to XLFG for folks like me is "it can damage our ability to build and sustain our local communities" (again, "community" here refers to your extended circle of in-game friends, associates, and guild-mates). My suggestions, point-by-point, address that problem. Seeing as how BW seems to feel the same way as we anti-XLFG folks do about community it would probably behoove the pro-XLFG crowd to pounce on these suggestions as a means of getting what they want.

Heck, if it turns out the server-type-limited-queues are overly restrictive and don't work then it becomes a lot easier to argue against removing them.

And yours isn't just as much opinion? lol

Again, your opinion. The top guilds were interviewed as being happy with the difficulty in Wrath and most of the "Wrath is too easy" QQers had few if any heroic mode achievements on their armory. My guild downed T4, T5 and much of T6 during BC before the big boss nerf that many QQ'd about...and we were satisfied with Wrath. And with few exceptions, we enjoyed the xrealm LFD tool which gave us an even bigger pool of people to choose from for raids. In fact, we had many different groups running which allowed more people to try their hand at raid leading. Cata killed our guild (for reasons other than the difficulty)

And many of us are very grateful for that. WoW is the king of MMO's though and there are some individual things that they did right.