Premades are responsible for failed MMOs

So you're upset that a group of players decide to play together, communicate with and help each other to do group content in a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game...

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Aaalllrrriiiggghhhtttyyy then...

I understand what you are saying but you are missing the key Issue: MOTIVATION

The premade players become premade to win...win is their only goal, win at all costs

Like the Steroids in Baseball, it's about success...that's all...don't believ the other crap it's all smoke and mirrors trying to hide their MOTIVATION.

This Motivation makes it okay in their minds to hack and exploit as well.

that's were you ideal misses what the premade mentality will do

They will NOT QUE GROUP...they will synchronize SOLO ques...because they want to God mode PWN NOOBS...they don't want competition...why in Open world is it 5-6 vs 1-2?

The GANG thug mentality is what a premade is....there is no NOBILITY in them....why do you think most are Sith to begin with? It speaks volumes.

I bolded the most important part of this post, This is basically the point of his post that everyone should of gotten too and said, Gee.. this guy is an idiot for sure...

Yes, you should. Especially if what you really want MMO PVP to be is simple deathmatch or free for all brawls.

Don't let the door hit your *** on the way out.

There was 12v12 in beta for a bit. The devs said they wanted 8v8 because then "individual play can make more of an impact." I think the real reason was that this engine can't handle it though lol.

First let me say I did not read through the whole post, kinda got redundent after the second third page TBH.

Premades ruin PvP: no they don't...............IDIOTS ruin PvP.
SWTOR PvP is probably the easiest PvP I have ever played in any MMO i've played, and i've played quite a few over the years, but then again I am no where near being a hardcore PvPer. I PvP because it is fun, especially in this game.

PvP in SWTOR is wait for it.......................here it comes...................objective based, get the ball over the goal line, cap and hold the turrets/bunker, cap and or prevent the other team from capping the door/computer terminal....objectives.

when you PuG a WZ you are randomely put on a team with 7 other people whom by now have played every warzone ATLEAST once, they know what the "objectives" are in order to achieve victory. Do pre-mades have an advantage? of course they do, they are 2-3-4 friends using Vent/TS/Skype or whatever other chat programs are avaliable to communicate with each other, making it easier for them to prevent and or achieve the objectives .

Does that mean they will win every time.................HELL NO. I PuG and I also have a friend I PvP with constantly, we use Ventrillo when we're on PvPing and questing, do we win every time we're together? no. When I PuG a WZ and we go up against a pre-made do they win every time? no. Why? because after running the same warzone be it same faction or versus the opposite faction eventually you will figure out thier strategy and be able to counter it.

Problem is when you PuG you have those 2 or 3 MORONS who do know that this is objective based PvP but still prefer to go all "LONE WOLF" resulting in you losing the match.

On the server I play on there is this pre-made 3-4 people in the same guild, you know damm well they're on Vent or something to that effect and they are good. They work well together, they know thier roles in each different WZ they go in and they DON'T win all the time.

PvP is server specific so for the most part if it's consistent you will eventually get to know almost everyone on your PuG team, and they you, they and you will know how the pre-made team plays a specific WZ and know how to counter it, if not then you deserve to loose, because if you haven't figured out who thier healer is by now, mark them and take 2-3 seconds to type in chat "healer marked" then you deserve to lose. If you haven't figured out that 2 or 3 of the 4 will try and run up to the catwalks and eventually down toward your goal and you havent learned to peal thier heads back before they get there or knock them off then you deserve to lose.

Premades are'nt doing anything different then you are, they just do what most PuG teams don't....communicate with each other, use teamwork to achieve the objectives and win.

I often "premade" with 3 people I know that are decent players, just depending who is on. We don't use vent and about the only thing "premade" about it is the fact that we know the others are decent. Usually there's not even a healer, heh. Oftentimes it's some random comp like 2 dps mercs, a powertech, and a concealment operative or something like that.

Yet we usually win. Why is that?

OP gets 10/10.

immaculate work, good sir.

Short of setting up two separate ques for premades and pugs, there's no way, no matter how you design the game, to make premades less effective against pugs.

You'll always have one group that is more organized and has a strategy and better communication, and one that has less in all of these categories. Better organization and communication will always have a huge advantage.

Now, I can say that, as another poster suggested, simply playing more and more helps. Yes, you'll still get some groups that are bad, but as you play over days and weeks the more you'll also recognize the other players on your team and come to know their strengths and weaknesses, and the more they'll recognize you. This doesn't completely mitigate the advantage from a premade, but it helps a great deal - far, far more than you'd think.

You're cheating. Must be. n_n