Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > General Discussion
Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

Skidrowbro's Avatar


Skidrowbro
05.01.2012 , 10:37 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Your compassion towards other plays is admirable.

/sarcasm

Seriously though how would you feel being on a dead server and the only answer you got was of someone saying "Tough, start everything again on a new server and spend weeks/months re-doing everything you just did."?
I've already rerolled onto my fourth server not a big deal
Guess what? Even with a cross server LFD tool, you will still be on a dead server.

Valkirus's Avatar


Valkirus
05.01.2012 , 10:39 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by Lugonn View Post
I just cancelled my subscription due to the lack of players on my server.
Trying to find members for grouped content should not take up hours of your game time.
A LFG tool in one of the after launch patches would have swayed my decision to leave the game.

It still baffles me that folks who can create such fantastic story and game content fail to add quality of life stuff like a lfg tool or way to summon your fellow players to an instance. No devs looked at other premium/freemium mmo's and ticked off what players want (need) in order to play like they're used to?
Really good points. And the same reasons some more will unsub if a LFG tool does not get them into the end game content on a timely manner. Some donot have all day to play this game every day.
Trust is something which is earned.

ZenMorph's Avatar


ZenMorph
05.01.2012 , 10:39 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
It's a very poor attitude to have, coming into an MMO. I'd rather play with everyone I can in the game, than wall myself into a server and scream about how evil those outside it were.
But it seems reasonable that x-server LFG should restrict to same server type (i.e. RP-PVE, PVE, PVP, RP-PVP, etc). If that still proves to be a barrier to completing FPs via LFG, then a priority system might work, where you're only grouped with dissimilar servers if same-type servers can't provide a group member for the queue.

I'm mixed on the whole LFG tool. I see some good arguments from several points of view. I got to the point in WoW where I wouldn't queue for a random unless I went in with a full-group of guildies/friends. The bad experiences had begun to outnumber the good experiences. But, I don't know that I can lay this at the feet of the LFG tool. The tool was in-place pre-Cata, but it wasn't until a couple months after Cata released that I noticed a sharp deterioration in player behavior in dungeon runs via LFG. I can only surmise there are other variables at work there.

Jederix's Avatar


Jederix
05.01.2012 , 10:40 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
That makes no sense? Cross-Server LFG increases the pool of players you can play with. If you don't want to use LFG at all then don't, you can still ask in General Chat if you want.
If you're about to say but everyone will be using LFG, well then, clearly they must want it. After all, if they didn't want LFG they wouldn't use it right?
But he can't control who he plays with. This is the issue. It has little to do with the tool itself. There are a subset of MMO players who are more interested in controlling those around them, and their gameplay, than actually playing the game itself.

Me, I want to play. I don't care who you are. I don't want to be your friend. I want to que up, run an instance, maybe get some gear, and move on. I have plenty of real world friends as it is.

Disclaimer: The You does not mean "You", the guy I quoted, it means "you" as in the playerbase as a whole.
Internet Forums. Where Grammar and Spelling go to die!

ChaosKirin's Avatar


ChaosKirin
05.01.2012 , 10:40 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
That makes no sense? Cross-Server LFG increases the pool of players you can play with. If you don't want to use LFG at all then don't, you can still ask in General Chat if you want.
If you're about to say but everyone will be using LFG, well then, clearly they must want it. After all, if they didn't want LFG they wouldn't use it right?
This is exactly what I think. If there are so many people who DON'T want an LFG tool, won't they still exist after an LFG tool is implemented? To them, I say 'take the initiative, find like-minded people, and form a 'We Hate LFG Tools' guild and then group to your heart's content.

DarthTHC's Avatar


DarthTHC
05.01.2012 , 10:40 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
Why is it so hard for people to learn how to play an MMO? They have always been about the journey and adventure, not the destination. I do feel sorry for people on a dead server but I don't feel sorry for them if why choose to stay on it. What are some LFD players gonna do if it's server only and not instant teleport? What if they still have to, gasp, walk?
Why do you think it's fun to walk... in a game?

Skirata_Kal's Avatar


Skirata_Kal
05.01.2012 , 10:40 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerion View Post
I was replying to a poster who had a question. I gave an answer. I'm sorry you found that insulting since I never actually stated what the pro-LFD side looks like. I simply said "let the evidence speak for itself".

As for the entire debate history of this subject, could care less.
Again, as I said before, my sarcastic 'insulting is so mature' remark was aimed at a group, not you specifically. I'm sorry if you took that so personally. And yes, I could have used better wording to make that more clear.

Quote:
And what was more effective in your pursuit of improved products or services? Crying on a forum, or writing directly to the company or business, or perhaps paying their office a visit. I know which has been more effective for me, and that involves calling the company in question to complain, to write them a letter, or visit the store to lodge a complaint. "I quit' threads on the interwebs are about as useful as...teats on a boar as the saying goes.
'Crying on a forum'? lol You just love trolling. Ok, I'm game. Generally, in today's day and age, I find writing a snail mail letter to a company useless. I generally use the phone first unless they have a good online tool then I'll sometimes use that. Because of my schedule, I rarely can make an in-person visit and I rarely, if ever, consider it worth my while to take a day off to do it. Whichever format, I use, I explain the problem to them and give them an opportunity to fix said problem. If said problem isn't resolved, I then take my business elsewhere. The funny thing is that some of the best offers I've ever recieved have been offered while making the cancellation phone call. That's RL though.

This is a computer game. If I try to make an in-person visit to Bioware to lodge a complaint, I'll probably, in the very least, find myself escorted out by security no matter how calm and mature I am about lodging said complaint (for very understandable reasons). A snail mail would be useless and a waste of paper...which leads to a topic we should avoid on this forum lol. A phone call is an option, but in my experience, calling an MMO's company number usually just gets you referred to their online forums...so here I am!
Forum troll, former fanboy, later a "hater", recent returnee

Darth_Mordrid's Avatar


Darth_Mordrid
05.01.2012 , 10:40 AM | #178
My post will probly go unnoticed here, but it still needs to be pointed out.

First off, everyone in this thread does make pretty good points for and against the LFG tool. But imo these arguements work for large communities.

I know we all hate using WoW for an example, but this is a true statement imo and those who play(ed) the game can relate. As a dps in WoW, the cross server LFG tool can take anywhere from 10minutes to an hour depending on the time of day you qued up for a dungeon at end game level 85. Take that and think about a very low community such as SWTOR which is spread out through many servers. Imagine if we already had the cross server LFG tool. With the low population we have, it would still take a dps player over an hour to finally get into a group...at prime time, maybe less but I think you all get the point. And then of course, you have to hope that the group is solid with no bad players that keep pulling or having no ninjas or aholes.

I do understand some of the hate on the LFG tool, especially the cross server one. But it actually is needed, moreover I think there are much more people that want a cross server LFG than those who don't. I personally would like to see single server LFG tool as a start, but I know it probably won't be enough, and the ques could take forever more often than being short.

Disagree if you want to, but look at the que times for WoW and compare it to what ours would be if we had the cross server tool already.

Valkirus's Avatar


Valkirus
05.01.2012 , 10:42 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by Skidrowbro View Post
I've already rerolled onto my fourth server not a big deal
Guess what? Even with a cross server LFD tool, you will still be on a dead server.
Not a issue with me or others. I will purposely stay on my low pop server if they add a cross server LFG tool. Those who donot want to use it can roll on a high pop server.
Trust is something which is earned.

Cerion's Avatar


Cerion
05.01.2012 , 10:43 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaxarale View Post
No worries mate...
This happens all the time with my GF, we will be discussing one thing and she will throw an emotional tirade into the conversation and try and totally move off topic when she sees she is wrong.
Its all good.
Well, luckily I was neither wrong nor talking to you regarding the topic in question. You just kinda barged in on my conversation with another poster.
But it's a public forum, not much I can do about it. Its all good.
Good will always triumph because Evil is lazy.