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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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Someone explain the LFG tool hate?

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DawnAskham
05.01.2012 , 08:59 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by Florial View Post
I have mixed emotions at this point but am leaning towards having a LFG tool, even if it is cross-server. I think that others have it right---if the overall gaming community is pretty good from the start, you won't have this "it ruins community" argument. WoW was the first MMO that I played that had this feature in place and I must say that the majority of my runs were with vile people. I would come across some rare good groups where people were patient and kind but they were few and far between. The degree of cruelty and unkindness in groups was pretty appalling and after a bit, I left WoW and went on to other games with a better community. I've come to the realization though that the overall WoW community is just horrid so these people would exist with or without the LFG tool.

When the cross server LFG tool finally came to Rift, it wasn't the end of the community. For the time that I played Rift, people were generally pretty good in groups, even from other servers. I can't comment on other games that had cross server features since I didn't play them when this feature was added. I must say that I did enjoy this feature since it allowed me to do my dungeons when my guildmates or friends weren't on. Overall a great feature.
I just don't get all the WoW LFG hate. Really I don't.

I've played both factions on multiple servers over a number of years, and I've had bad groups - groups with terrible players, players that are rude, and players that just seem to want to afk.

BUT...

Those were the exceptions.

The majority of groups I've been in have had no issues. None. Maybe they have been a bit quiet, but the groups all completed the content with no fuss or issues.

In fact I just finished a 7 day 'trial' with their Scroll of Resurrection, and used the LFG on a couple of 85 along with a new character I created. I never waited more than 10-15 minutes for a group, and I never had an issue with a group.

I haven't renewed my sub there because the content has grown stale to me, but at some point I may go back and drop SWTOR as accessible stale content is still better than any content that isn't accessible.

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Valkirus
05.01.2012 , 09:01 AM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by siegedeluxe View Post
The reason why there are so many "vile" players in WoW is simply this, kids and teens are playing that game.
And there are tools to deal with them. Not a issue for me as I use those tools. Not Blizzard's fault some do not. And I have known some adults who act worse than some kids I know. You will run into more selfish jerks in a game like WoW because it has a huge player base.
Trust is something which is earned.

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Cerion
05.01.2012 , 09:02 AM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
I'm afraid you really have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing you said makes sense.

I can't believe I'm having to explain what a compromise is to you. I can't believe you don't understand what it is.

I'll try again....third time lucky....

A compromise doesn't mean you have to give something up, it means you find middle ground. Giving both parties the tool and options means both get what they want. Giving only a single server means only one side gets what they want.
It really is one the simplest things I've had to explain to someone, how are you not getting it?
The reason I'm not getting it is because you're wrong. It seems YOU'RE the one who needs an education here.

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com·pro·mise   [kom-pruh-mahyz] Show IPA noun, verb, com·pro·mised, com·pro·mis·ing.
noun
1. a settlement of differences by mutual concessions; an agreement reached by adjustment of conflicting or opposing claims, principles, etc., by reciprocal modification of demands.
Tell me, what concessions are YOU giving up in your proposal?

But hey, keep spewing your definition of 'compromise'. Anyone with a lick of schooling beyond 10th Grade Civics knows who is right here. That would be me.
Good will always triumph because Evil is lazy.

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Gomuningen
05.01.2012 , 09:06 AM | #114
Communities are a thing of the past, this died back in earlier 2000 when MMO used to be niche thing. Now the general masses are playing this game. The general masses tend not to care about communities rather quick progression of their characters and gearing. People will slit your throat to obtain that shinny loot.

You can tell from the forums, before launch this forum was littered with posts about no LFG system etc. After the release of the game people are screaming their heads off for LFG system. This is when the masses started to come to the forums, pre-launch the forums were a place for the niche gamers...but as you can tell they all left.

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Valkirus
05.01.2012 , 09:06 AM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by DawnAskham View Post
I just don't get all the WoW LFG hate. Really I don't.

I've played both factions on multiple servers over a number of years, and I've had bad groups - groups with terrible players, players that are rude, and players that just seem to want to afk.

BUT...

Those were the exceptions.

The majority of groups I've been in have had no issues. None. Maybe they have been a bit quiet, but the groups all completed the content with no fuss or issues.

In fact I just finished a 7 day 'trial' with their Scroll of Resurrection, and used the LFG on a couple of 85 along with a new character I created. I never waited more than 10-15 minutes for a group, and I never had an issue with a group.

I haven't renewed my sub there because the content has grown stale to me, but at some point I may go back and drop SWTOR as accessible stale content is still better than any content that isn't accessible.
My experence also. I still sub and will continue to as long as I am having fun in the game. I think some grasp at straws and will exaggerate in trying to prove thier point.
Trust is something which is earned.

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Gimixes
05.01.2012 , 09:10 AM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by Gemble View Post
How about this...

a LFG tool.. that uses only ppl in your own server.
+1

No x-server pls

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Wolfeisberg
05.01.2012 , 09:11 AM | #117
Eventually they will add a cross server LFG. EA likes money, and as more and more people leave the game due to having a hard time finding groups or taking to long with the server side LFG, they'll get the hint. They already have examples of MMOs introducing Cross Server LFG and not losing subscribers on a massive scale due to it. Bioware can say the "we want to foster a community" all they want, eventually Big daddy EA will say "well it looks like the vast majority of the customers really don't care about community other then their own guild, we want to make money, put the cross server in so we can keep and gain customers back who just want to play the game and enjoy the content and find groups for it within a reasonable amount of time."

Mark my words, cross server LFG is coming.
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Jaxarale
05.01.2012 , 09:11 AM | #118
Quote:
You have one camp that wants no-holds-barred x-server access and another group that doesn't want any LFG tool.
The funniest part of this whole debate is that as soon as LFG is put into game... every single one of the people complaining.... will be using it.
Then we will get the obligatory threads from them saying: I got ninjaed!!!! I told you so... and yet, secretly they will continue to use it...

If you are so against it, then simply do not use it when its implemented... its a fairly simple concept.
Just like LFR in WoW... people that dont like it did not have to use it... those with brains that knew they could get 4pc from it and improve healing and dps for real raiding... used it and ignored the numb-nuts.
Its a tool, its your decision to use it or not... but please stop trying to take away the OPTION to use it... we do not have to live by your rules and you do not have to use our LFG system...



"Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live."
Oscar Wilde

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Skirata_Kal
05.01.2012 , 09:13 AM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkulous View Post
I'm not gonna stop talking about it until a X-server is actually implemented. Anyone who has experience with LFD tools knows what is going to happen with this same server LFD tool - High populated servers will prosper and all others will not. How is that different from todays Group Finder?
Agreed. The currrent problem with finding groups is the population itself. You're still going to find a population problem with the same server LFD on those servers. At best, it only adds some convenience, so it is a step in the right direction, not a solution. Transfers won't work either (they didn't for WoW). If you let people transfer for free from low pop to high pop, your dead servers get even more rancid, and your high pop servers get worse queues. And many people will rightly refuse to pay for a server transfer. Of course, we still don't know which transfer types will be free or not, but that doesn't change the fact that server transfers, free or not, didn't solve anything in WoW.
Forum troll, former fanboy, later a "hater", recent returnee

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Codek
05.01.2012 , 09:14 AM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by Gomuningen View Post
Communities are a thing of the past, this died back in earlier 2000 when MMO used to be niche thing. Now the general masses are playing this game. The general masses tend not to care about communities rather quick progression of their characters and gearing. People will slit your throat to obtain that shinny loot.

You can tell from the forums, before launch this forum was littered with posts about no LFG system etc. After the release of the game people are screaming their heads off for LFG system. This is when the masses started to come to the forums, pre-launch the forums were a place for the niche gamers...but as you can tell they all left.
lol, the good old days pre-release..... I never actually that it would turn out like this.

Pre-release, an outcry of "This is not WoW!"

Post release, "WoW has this!! WoW did this!!! Needs to be more like WoW!"

What happened......
~Codek