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300k credits lost due to design flaw

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VulcanLogic
04.30.2012 , 02:17 PM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Dejoule View Post
So why not buy the "Reflex Armoring 25" or whatever that drops from hardmode EV/KP or I think normal Denova. They often times have more of the primary stat than the armoring in the columi/rakata item, and are BoE with no slot requirement.

I see them on the GTN on my server all the time. In this way, you can still make your droid just as competitive as a normal companion. I also think these armorings are RE-able by Cybertech also making cybertech useful and profitable all in the same go.
Well, it's actually the Commando Armoring 25 that is for the droid Aim tanks, but there is a pretty huge problem with this, whether or not cybertechs can RE them (and I think they can, though not sure). It's this:

They sell for 500,000 credits on my server.

Why should I be forced to pay such a premium of 2.5 million credits to gear out the companion I want, when everyone else can just use their columi/black hole commendations or rakata tokens, which after you gear yourself, essentially cost nothing?
Yo. Droid companions need an operations vendor, too. My extra coms have to go somewhere, and I'd prefer SCORPIO to Kaliyo.

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Kubernetic
04.30.2012 , 02:18 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by VulcanLogic View Post
Droid "oranges" are actually greens. You learn these from the trainer. They have the armoring slot, the mod slot, the enhancement slot, and on the 8 pieces I spent hundreds of Ks worth of mats on, the augment slot.

As for "why didn't I ask", pretty sure I'm the first person on earth to try it.

There are three droid companions, one empire side, two republic side. Don't bother trying to gear them, Bioware gimped them.
Since you're going to be one of these exploratory pioneers, let me add just a hint of advice for your future endeavors.

It's called the Proof of Concept stage of design.

Take one green, even one you have sitting around (I know one of my droids came with one pre-installed) and try to install your primo gear mod into it and see if it works. Once you're sure that it works and can be done, then you go forward spending however many days and however many credits and materials are necessary to complete the project.
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DarthAnaethil
04.30.2012 , 02:18 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
Since you're going to be one of these exploratory pioneers, let me add just a hint of advice for your future endeavors.

It's called the Proof of Concept stage of design.

Take one green, even one you have sitting around (I know one of my droids came with one pre-installed) and try to install your primo gear mod into it and see if it works. Once you're sure that it works and can be done, then you go forward spending however many days and however many credits and materials are necessary to complete the project.
now THIS is vulcan logic. lmfao
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VulcanLogic
04.30.2012 , 02:24 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Kubernetic View Post
Since you're going to be one of these exploratory pioneers, let me add just a hint of advice for your future endeavors.

It's called the Proof of Concept stage of design.

Take one green, even one you have sitting around (I know one of my droids came with one pre-installed) and try to install your primo gear mod into it and see if it works. Once you're sure that it works and can be done, then you go forward spending however many days and however many credits and materials are necessary to complete the project.
I have, in the past, dozens of times, before 1.2. I pulled stuff from heavy armor aim gear, including armorings from tionese gear, and it used to work. After 1.2, and the addition of crafted augments, I simply continued the process. Now it doesn't work, thanks to the armoring changes, even if the item goes to the same slot, which the designers implied would work (in this case, head piece to sensor unit). But I applaud your attempt at being clever. You tried so hard.
Yo. Droid companions need an operations vendor, too. My extra coms have to go somewhere, and I'd prefer SCORPIO to Kaliyo.

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Toraxa
04.30.2012 , 02:38 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthAnaethil View Post
Just cuz YOU think they should have done something doesn't mean they do or the rest of us do. It makes ZERO sense. Sorry bud. It only makes sense that a mod for a chest piece can only work for chest pieces. That's logic buddy, sorry you're pretending to be a vulcan and failed.
No, it's not about thinking or opinions. He's right. It is in fact a design flaw.

He didn't pick the droid companion. It was given to him. Each class gets one companion of each archetype, and we're stuck with what we get. Making droids companions inferior to humanoid companions for cosmetic reasons is silly.

They want to be picky about the fact that for a droid, the slots hold parts, armor plates, motors, etc, instead of the boots, chests, pants, etc they directly replace. Due to this, they make it so droids are weaker because they have fewer options, and those options are inherently worse as well.

Why is that okay to you? Silly little "on a whim" lore/story/cosmetic choices like that should never trump gameplay. Droids should be just as viable, capable, etc as any other companion type is. Do you really find that making three specific companions incapable of using the best mods in their items adds something to the game?

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Dejoule
04.30.2012 , 02:38 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by VulcanLogic View Post
Well, it's actually the Commando Armoring 25 that is for the droid Aim tanks, but there is a pretty huge problem with this, whether or not cybertechs can RE them (and I think they can, though not sure). It's this:

They sell for 500,000 credits on my server.

Why should I be forced to pay such a premium of 2.5 million credits to gear out the companion I want, when everyone else can just use their columi/black hole commendations or rakata tokens, which after you gear yourself, essentially cost nothing?
The problem is you not wanting to spend the credits. You can buy them or straight up roll for them in ops. If you're smart you just buy enough to give to a cybertech to RE so they can learn the schematic and then make the armorings for you. Or have cybertech on yourself or an alt to cut out the middle man. Not only would that be more cost efficient, but if the armorings sell for so much you could easily make your creds back AND turn a tidy profit in the process. For the time beings you can still use the commando armoring 23 that you buy from daily vendors. You can still use your droid companion, the loss of stats will be marginal (almost unnoticeable.
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04.30.2012 , 02:42 PM | #27
no text .. changed my mind about posting in this thread
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Andryah
04.30.2012 , 02:46 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by VulcanLogic View Post
As for "why didn't I ask", pretty sure I'm the first person on earth to try it.
Just as in real life, when walking new ground in an MMO, test before you leap.

Quote: Originally Posted by VulcanLogic View Post
There are three droid companions, one empire side, two republic side. Don't bother trying to gear them, Bioware gimped them.
You are exaggerating. It's not that you cannot put mods in them, it's that you cannot put the particular high end mods you wanted to in them.

Bug report it and see if this was a oversight by the developers, or working as intended.
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Andryah
04.30.2012 , 02:48 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Dejoule View Post
The problem is you not wanting to spend the credits. You can buy them or straight up roll for them in ops. If you're smart you just buy enough to give to a cybertech to RE so they can learn the schematic and then make the armorings for you. Or have cybertech on yourself or an alt to cut out the middle man. Not only would that be more cost efficient, but if the armorings sell for so much you could easily make your creds back AND turn a tidy profit in the process. For the time beings you can still use the commando armoring 23 that you buy from daily vendors. You can still use your droid companion, the loss of stats will be marginal (almost unnoticeable.
I agree, on all points stated.
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VulcanLogic
04.30.2012 , 02:50 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Dejoule View Post
The problem is you not wanting to spend the credits. You can buy them or straight up roll for them in ops. If you're smart you just buy enough to give to a cybertech to RE so they can learn the schematic and then make the armorings for you. Or have cybertech on yourself or an alt to cut out the middle man. Not only would that be more cost efficient, but if the armorings sell for so much you could easily make your creds back AND turn a tidy profit in the process. For the time beings you can still use the commando armoring 23 that you buy from daily vendors. You can still use your droid companion, the loss of stats will be marginal (almost unnoticeable.
No, that isn't it at all. I have multiple level 50s. On my shadow and on my sorcerer, I can simply use raid gear pieces from left over coms or greed rolls and *poof*, fully geared, without spending a single credit. While if I want augmented gear on the companions I will still have to pay to pull the mods, the net cost of 500k for an armoring that works on a droid minus the 33k it costs to pull one is still 467k. That affects no other companions but the one who rolls with my agent and I would prefer to use.

Even if you don't have a droid companion, this will be an issue for even you down the road. More companions are coming. Book it. More of you will be getting droid companions, probably all of you. Perhaps even something like (or maybe exactly like) HK-47 (here's hoping). You're going to be awfully disappointed when you find out you love this new companion, but he's going to be gimped for gearing compared to your other companions. This should be addressed before new companions come out, because believe me, I won't be the only one bringing this up when that happens. And it will happen.
Yo. Droid companions need an operations vendor, too. My extra coms have to go somewhere, and I'd prefer SCORPIO to Kaliyo.