Dear Expertise, You Are Terrible

^^^THIS. There is a reason why pre-50 PvP is much more fun. If I could turn off my XP at 49 I would.

Bolster is there to even the playing field, no need for Expertise. It just makes PvP a gear grind.

Another point to consider is if/when they get a real open world PvP system going, expertise gates huge parts of the population from going there if they are going to get facerolled.

I myself have BM/WH gero on two toons, no big deal to ME, but what about those people that PvE that want to go PvP now and then? Or even more? They are going to have to grind through war zones to get gear just tobe competitive in open world PvP?

That's stupid.

^^(doomsday)great, bail out.

The brick wall in this game concerning pvp gear is more like a paper paravent, I do not care how you play or what "skills" you sport, you are suggesting unspecified in game mechanics to even out gear while bashing at expertise, to me all you have posted culminates in "BiS pve gear should let you allow to faceroll" expertise as it is now helps new players that is a good thing, period.

As suggested the exact same stats on pve and pvp gear would be an alternative, this would mean rakata level gear should be purchasable for 380k the full set at the pvp vendor.

Because it goes like this:

Rakata = Recruit
BM = Black Hole/Cam.
WH = Camp. NM

pre-50 PvP is also gear dependent since all characters are gear dependent since that is the only way to get stats regardless of which stat it is. Purple gear > Blue gear > Green gear. Player crafted purples with augment slots greater still.

PvP at 50 needs to be a gear grind since PvE is a gear grind and people who want to PvP and not PvE need a way to be competitive in PvP to the PvErs who come in wearing Columni and Rakata and Black Hole.

Regardless of what method the designers come up with the balance and/or separate PvP and PvE play, some subset of players will ***** and moan about it. This is the system they have, if you like it great, if you don't sorry. If they change it to suite your needs/wants, some one else will find fault and want it changed to meet their needs.

My solution is to just deal with how it is, until they decide to change it, and then I will adapt. I chose to play 1 class in PvP and another in PvE. Both are 50 and I am having a lot of fun doing both. As a fresh 50, I bought 3 BM and the rest recruit a couple days after 1.2 landed. This gave me 940 expertise or so and I competed fine in PvP. Now in about 3 weeks I have full BM and still compete well in PvP even against WH geared players.

Not going to defend Doomsday, but uh..

As far as advertised NM modes drop pve gear better than vendor gear. So THAT would be the equivalent of WH.

BM then would equal the pve cam. black hole vendor gear.

Which leaves Rakata at the level of recruit gear.

I am comparing the highest stat gear of each tier. The list doesn't change from what I posted. Stat per stat, my list matches PvP Tiers to PvE Tiers. Battlemaster doesn't suddenly shoot above Rakata because you say so. Stat distribution for the pieces is based on the items level for it's Tier. And Battlemaster has far more Itemlevel distribution then Recruit, substantially so.

If you come into a PvP match wearing full Rakata you should get rolled by a player wearing full Battlemaster. Likewise If you roll into a PvE Hard Mode wearing Battlemaster you should take more damage and output less damage/healing than someone wearing full Rakata.

BaM gear got updated in 1.2, it is above Rakata gear, this was done due to the fact that WH was supposed to be for rated games and a step up from everything else.

Your comparison would be true for pre 1.2 battlemaster gear and pre 1.2 rakata.

My 2c

also... pve players are ... never challenged to rise to the level of pvp players.
not their fault but the skill required to best a MOB just isn't the same as to best a person.

"Look, good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living? That's something else."
―Han Solo[src]

If you have pvp'ers show up on raid night and your guild raids "competitively", your gonna have alot
of angry carebears doing the headdown shuffle back to fleet when their spots get taken.

and once again, doesn't make a hill o beans to me... I grew up oldskool when that's the way it was...
pve to pvp... pvp to gain skill...gear drop on death. Average grind to max level ... YEARS...

Watch what you wish for.