If It Wasn't Star Wars, Would You PvP?

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If It Wasn't Star Wars, Would You PvP?

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DarkDruidSS

04.30.2012 , 10:41 AM \| #61	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Celebrus The only irony in this statement is that you think that harry potter qualifies as "fantasy". How exactly is it NOT fantasy? Care to explain?
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Recanter

04.30.2012 , 10:43 AM \| #62	Quote
I just hung on because I loved Star Wars. Unfortunately, SWTOR is despite how we choose to describe it, a business... That's it, plain, and simple. It's gonna cost way too much to implement the "wishlist" for those of us left. Cross server- pvp, world pvp, class balances, ranked warzones, more warzone maps, bug fixes etc all cost money and lots of it. Simple answer, the staff probably want to fix it, but the board of directors, shareholders etc just won't allocate the funding. Why? Cause its a business and the number one aim in any business is ... profit See you guys in the "new game"

Scoobings

04.30.2012 , 10:44 AM \| #63	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Cempa As I finished beta weekend for a new up and coming MMO that is also fantasy based I found myself asking the question: If this game -TOR- was not based in the Star Wars universe, would I play and enjoy its PvP? TOR has gear based PvP which is like many MMO's and some people think it was modeled after the largest MMO in the world -subscription base. TOR graphics could be described as similar to WoW in many ways -too cartoon like tbh. As I played beta this passed weekend PvP was not gear based because we all had the same gear. Every zone was end game, if you are level xx and walk into a starter area with level 5 mobs, the mobs scaled to your level and so did the loot. The PvP maps were fun, multi levels with buildings and corners and just enough room for ranged to play and not too big as to allow melee to also have fun. At level 2 -5 minutes after starting the game- you could port to the PvP area were you are fitted with top level gear and you can change spec and gear around. You also have the ability to change colors of anything to anything! Unlike TOR or WoW you will never get blown up in seconds, you will have time to recover and 1v1 can take an eternity so people rather play in groups. The really fun part is you can dodge abilities completely by simply double taping movement key in any direction, so you need to pay attention to who is casting what and when! I find myself realizing that TOR is not far behind WoW when it comes to gear based, nurf this, buff that and 1,2,3 BOOM dead game play in PvP and realized that had it not been set in the Star Wars universe I would have left after 1.2. What about you? Interesting question. Honestly, I like TORs PVP overall, so yeah I probably would. The only thing that might give me halt in terms of a genre shift would be if it was a fantasy MMO and not Sci-fi. Then... I dunno I might stop. I'm tired of Sci-fi. Over all though, I like the fast paced PVP of TOR and I like that it doesn't take an eternity for a 1v1 to play out. I know what game you're talking about (through my l33t Holms-like skills of deduction) and honestly while the WvW looked very entertaining, at it's core the PVP seemed slow paced and boring to me, and everything in that game, aesthetically speaking, has just been done before. The streams I watched bored me Maybe the game play will make up for that. It's definitely a game to keep an eye on because as I said, the WvW looked like it was pretty fun!
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heavenDor

04.30.2012 , 10:52 AM \| #64	Quote
I for one wouldnt even have purchased it except I like the Fantasy/Sci-Fi feel of the Star Wars IP. In regards to this "new game" and the scaling pvp and scaling zones. Why play an MMO then? Isn't the whole point of an MMO to have better things than the next guy because you put the time in and learned? Look maybe someday you will realize it on your own but MMOs are NOT THE PLACE TO GET COMPETITIVE PVP. You want competition for real then go play something where everyone is equal ALL THE TIME like DOTA or HON. Those games provide the same basics of skill use and equipment buying with leveling up except its balanced and quick and it stat tracks everything. The "new game" is just DOTA with larger teams and a fresh coat of paint to obscure the fact that its just a small arena game EXACTLY like DOTA. People play MMOs and PvP in them because its casual and provides an escape from work/school or whatever, not because you want competition. Anyone looking for competition in a game type that rewards you for TIME SPENT is looking in the wrong place.

Cempa

04.30.2012 , 10:53 AM \| #65	Quote
Its sad really we all hoped for epic battles between Republic and Empire, I for one was eager to duke it out on Tatooine when I heard about the PvP area, but game designers just messed it up so bad, sorry but this is not field of dreams, if you build it they will not 'just' come! Ilum was just hilarious at how bad it was done. BW giving warnings to guilds who repeatedly went after groups trying to kill a world boss on a PvP server! It has been made brutely clear by the powers that be that TOR is first and foremost a PvE game with cartoon like graphics and glow sticks! PvP is a distant second. Thats ok the business of TOR will always find care bear PvE players who like glow sticks to pay the monthly sub, the rest of us will playing a game that actually cares about PvP and world PvP!
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toshman

04.30.2012 , 10:53 AM \| #66	Quote
cancelled sub after the past weekend. the new game has got my interest. i think that 1.2 failed from PVP standpoint and upset alot of pvpers. its gear driven and i want to pvp on an equal level. i was in the biggest guild on the server, but now when you log in from 60 people regularly on there might be 10-15 on. with games like GW2 and Diii comming soon, no reason to play this.

Sholagar

04.30.2012 , 10:56 AM \| #67	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kanana That's a reason I have high hopes for that game. They will have to make the game appealing and fun, instead of adding time sinks. I'm not any game's fanboi.... but here is why I don't think GW2 is going to be any good for longer than a couple of months.... no subscriptions. I mean really, after they blow their load (initial box sales) during the first month, what real motivation do they have to keep tweaking and improving their game?? I mean, you can't seriously expect it to be a perfectly balanced masterpiece from day 1, do you? Even taking gear out of the equation.... there's gonna be class balance issues, healing issues, dps issues etc. etc. etc. just like this game or any other mmo has. Granted, I like they have eliminated gear as a unbalancing factor, but you can't seriously expect it to be all candy and roses from there, right?? I feel so burned on all games right now, I'm not buying another until its been out 6 months or so, and I get a chance to play it BEFORE buying it. Buy to play games I have been burned on too, and they have much less motivation to keep the game running well over the long term imo than a subscription based game. BUT, I am sure GW2 will be a blast to play for about 6 months or so... which is probably longer than I am lasting here (I'm not even logged into the game right now and could be... so sad).

Rappar

04.30.2012 , 11:11 AM \| #68	Quote
I canceled my WoW sub 2 years before SW:TOR was released. (Because of issues I would not like to expand on.) This game was supposed to be better than WoW in pvp, and i have been impressed. I HATED pvp in WoW, but swtor has peaked my interest in pvp. For that I am glad.

ShavedEwok

04.30.2012 , 11:32 AM \| #69	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDruidSS You have a point with the corruption of non-force users, but you do realize that the Clone Wars TV series has a Mandolarian non-force user with a black lightsaber called the Darksaber right? It's just another example of George Lucas not giving a crap what happens to his Star Wars universe anymore. If you want to blame anyone, blame him haha, but he is the creator so it's his to do what he wants with it. He always said he like Indiana Jones more anyway. Yeah but as far as I know that is just ONE (1!) existing and isolated example, and on top of it all it doesn't even come from one of the movies but from a friggin' cartoon TV-series for crying out loud! IMO, it qualifies as a one-time freak accident, nothing more. If anything, it's just an extremely poor excuse to bring some tasteless "bling bling" into the game for the kids who like shiny stuff. /rant Quote: Originally Posted by toshman i think that 1.2 failed from PVP standpoint and upset alot of pvpers. its gear driven and i want to pvp on an equal level. I find your remark about being able to "pvp on an equal level", which I agree can't be said about TOR. Seems to me that if anything, with the increased importance of Expertise post 1.2, the focus on gear has been even more concentrated...and often when gear becomes more important, skill tends to become less so. No doubt the decreased TTK would have affected this as well. Would you say the change in TTK has made it even less about skill and more about gear, or is it just a matter of those being quicker having an advantage over those of a more tactical long-term style of PvP gameplay? Personally, I miss the longer TTK and enjoyed the more tactical aspect of PvP. Then again, maybe all that really shows is that I'm just too slow to keep up with the higher pace of combat? SE
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Olympic

04.30.2012 , 11:40 AM \| #70	Quote
I agree with the TTK being to short, the problem is that longer TTK doesn't work with war zones that last 15 minutes. Which brings me to the original question...I am playing this game, Star Wars or not, based on the sci-fi genre. I do not care too play any more games with elves and orcs of any variety. Whether I continue with this game depends on what they do with open world PvP. I am being patient because all new games are jacked up for the first year. But if it continues to focus around war zones, then no I won't. War zones are lazy-poor-man PvP which severely limits the full scope of what PvP can and should be.

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