If It Wasn't Star Wars, Would You PvP?

To begin with, it's getting more and more questionable to me whether this game even is Star Wars in its true and proper sense anymore.

I say this because of the horrid black lightsabers, visually force corrupted non-force users which together with the recent 1.2 high level gear designs makes me seriously question BioWare's level of seriousness when it comes to respecting this IP.

And no, to be perfectly honest the only reason I currently play and PvP is due to whatever remains of "Star Wars" in the game. Although considering the fact that the development seems to have been hijacked by the loudest crying kiddies with no sense of taste or moderation whatsoever, then given enough time there might not be much left resembling the IP as some of us know it.

As for the PvP in particular, IMO it's certainly not as fun anymore mainly due to the following:

• Imbalanced and low server populations.
  
  
• TTK is down too much post 1.2.
  
  
• Pugging it and being forced to face premades.
  
  
• Getting thrown into losing Warzones (e.g. 2 minutes left on a Huttball match and under by 5 points).
  
  
• Non-existent open world PvP.
  
  
• Must admit the stunfest is getting a bit tiresome by now.

I'm currently in full Battlemaster and PvP is my main activity in game. I don't have the time nor inclination to group up or commit to more organized teamplay. So before anyone responds to my "pug vs premade" point by saying "just join a premade": No, anyone should be able to play as casual and compete against other casuals. It's a perfectly valid playstyle and a most reasonable request, or else there wouldn't even be an option to solo queue in the first place.

Granted, a lot of the stuff I listed above can be fixed, but the question is how long it will take. I can't speak for anyone else, but pretty much all of my guildies/RL friends have left the game months ago and don't seem the least tempted to return, at least not at the moment.

Finally, can't say much about the "other game" as I didn't participate in the weekend beta. Don't have the motivation to pre-purchase in order to try it out. It seems kinda cool I guess, but frankly, I'm sick and tired of the Fantasy genre. I've had it with trolls, dragons and elves in tights. I might check it out later but now I'm just happy for those who tried it and liked it; good for you and enjoy.

Me, I guess I'll stick around for a while, but as I said I'm already on the verge of what I can take from this game. Every time I see someone with a black saber I die a little inside. And if the day comes when I stop getting the Star Wars feeling from this game, then I honestly don't know.

SE

You're right. As an old school gamer I know how games USED to be, but that is in the past. I grew up with Quake, Unreal, Rainbow Six, and Counter Strike (it was a free mod then). Hell I had a Dragonball Z quake mod... probably the coolest mod I have seen besides Counter Strike...

The problem is that we are so used to having progression in every game we get now. That it is the norm and I have a hard time believing that the vast majority of people will play a game that doesn't have it for very long. There is a reason that Call of Duty, Battlefield and Halo all have character progression now. It isn't to appease the hardcore PvPer's. It's to get everyone else to play and stay playing because that is the only hook that will last.

I don't disagree. I think that is why they do it, to try to "hook" players. I just think that is why the games fail. People think they want progression but it isn't really what they need to truly hook them. Sometimes progression and change is actually for the worse. I certainly don't want to look like an old man on my rocker yelling at the kids because of their "new-fangled" ways of doing things (I am only 26).

I just think that people think they know what they want and they really don't. I think the gear grinds are worse for all pvp. You can look at the way WoW arena used to be done. "So, are you telling me the good players get better gear? So, not only are they better but they are better geared?"

Same as in SW. Those who play the most are the best geared. Make PvP gear cosmetic and level the playing field. It is basically level once you get in BM gear but that is a decent grind. People get wrecked in recruit gear.

I waited eagerly for this game to launch since it was first talked about.

1) It's Star Wars. Yes, I'm a huge fanboy.
2) It's BioWare. KOTOR I and II were awesome games, as were many others.
3) There were a lot of promises made about engaging and rewarding PvP.

Having played this game since day one of early access, it's the lore and environment that keep me playing. If this were any other setting, I would've dropped my sub the day 1.2 went live...possibly even sooner. It sucks when good small companies get bought out by large megacorps and lose their identity, which is what happened when EA bought BioWare. I think all their creativity got sucked out of them.

Even more important than that, the PvP development team just flat out needs to be FIRED. I for damn sure know that if I failed to do my job for several months, I'd be sent packing. That's what needs to happen here. They just aren't getting it done, and it seemingly gets worse with every patch.

I'm playing on borrowed time. After my freebie 31 days are up, there's really nothing keeping me in this game unless there are some massive improvements to PvP.

Well, I waited a long long time for this game, but there's two things that are prompting me to not resub next time I have to.

1. Community on my server is terrible, after all the work I've done it's hard to start on a new server, even more so now with introduction of legacy.

2. The biggest problem is pvp, before legacy I was in part centurion and part champion gear with my sniper. I did pretty well, could pop out 3k crits with a single relic used, but now pvp is horrible. I got the recruit stuff yet I die twice as fast as before, jedi/sith guardian/juggernaut kill me in a matter of seconds with ravage, and sentinels/marauders even quicker. It's just not fun, in fact the jedi I faced today would emote /yawn because it was boring for them to.

Things really need to change, because at this rate, I'll be going to a game I don't have to pay to be disappointed by.

So in a way you have old school PvPer's to thank for how MMOs are handled now...

I despise fantasy stuff, didnt even like harry potter

I love all things starwars, so i play this game.

(i understand there is some degree of irony in my view, but i hate elves and dwarfs).

Or just blaming Bioware for copy-pasting the WoW pvp gear system, which I think both are contributors. There is a game coming out that doesn't have this gear grind in relation to PvP. I may have to give it a shot.