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Same Server LFG + Paid transfers = Fail...

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Valkirus
04.30.2012 , 09:13 AM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
I dont understand why you guys dont make a big guild. If you have 200 people on your server but all in 1 guild you wont have problems with finding groups.

In the end its the fault of you guys that you didnt join a server with a small queue at release! mine was full and you have many people everywhere
With so many servers that are low pop, it will eventaully end up being BioWare's fault for losing subs because of a lack of a cross server LFG tool. Cannot blame the player for creating his chars on a server he had no clue would be so low later on. I am not deleting or paying to move my level 50 and 40 chars to a high pop one because of a failure on BioWare's part to create a tool for ones like me to experence end game content.
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VicSkimmr
04.30.2012 , 09:24 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
No, it doesn't negate my entire argument because people that have already rerolled on heavy pop servers will STILL have to pay money to transfer their low pop characters once transfer's are allowed. I rerolled to two heavy pop servers already and I've always hoped that I'd be able to transfer the toons I left behind once server transfers were available. Do you honestly think Bioware will allow me to transfer my low pop character to already heavily populated servers for free? If I can't, then those characters become useless because again, I'm not paying more money for Bioware's mistakes.


In the very least, if you are already ON a heavy pop server right now, they should allow free transfers of your other characters to said server. If they do, I'd be happy and I'd gladly eat crow for my assumptions. But, they've already fooled me once by charging for transfers in the first place... and you know the saying....
This is just you making a ton of assumptions with nothing to back them up with. All we know is that some transfers will require a fee. You're assuming that you won't qualify and getting upset over it. This is the very definition of a straw man. If you apply some logic and look at it from their point of view, I'm pretty sure you'll realize that they were always going to require fees for some transfers. They didn't "fool" you with this decision.
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Logisitcs
04.30.2012 , 09:28 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by RocNessMonster View Post
It is entirely Bioware's fault. Originally server caps were set artificially low. Bioware simultaneously raised server caps and opened new servers. There was no call for new servers, there were light/standard servers available even on Dec 20. Raising the server cap was all that was needed, they just wanted to open new servers so they could brag to the shareholders.
It's both actually, the threads are still here over the ques; If the community hadn't QQ for new servers, Bioware would have had no excuse to open new servers regardless of ulterior motives. At the same time, there was some piss-poor communication at the start about the server caps, if Bioware had stated from the beginning the caps were artificially set low, there wouldn't have been a backlash.

But this is Bioware, where getting in dual spec and social armor for all are challenges, oh and OP, you don't even know the details so why are you assuming? They seem to be handling it how Rift did for a bit, which wasn't bad

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Underverce
04.30.2012 , 09:41 AM | #34
Have not ever, and will never, pay for a server transfer. Archaic is a good term for that. Greedy is another. I pay my monthly fee, quit asking me for more. I hope the evil person who invented DLC and after-market content rots in a fiery furnace. I have never understood the American populace's fascination with paying for an incomplete game then paying more later, several times, with smiles, for something that should have been in the game from the start. Stupid is as stupid does... (sitting on multiple 50s on various servers. Would LOVE free xfers to my high pop.)

As far as a same server LFG... Seriously? I mean why bother? Even on a high pop server finding people with the DESIRE to do heroics and FPs after 25 is ridiculously time consuming and unlikely to pan out until one hits 50. There is nothing enticing about doing heroics and FPs for the average player. Commendations can be obtained without ever touching either. The attitude I've noticed on multiple servers is that people find grouping a waste of time, going so far as to actually slam the person looking for a group in general chat publicly. Yeah, I think cross-server LFG is in order. More importantly, make it more enticing and rewarding to actually do the multi-player content. I know it's EA's policy to give the best gear even to the worst players, but maybe you should consider that an elitist gear system is actually productive to creating a more cooperative community.

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goulet
04.30.2012 , 09:41 AM | #35
A: you're not being forced to pay for anything, you make a choice to pay for the a transfer to the server of your choosing. they're still offering free transfers, and free transfers first.

b: if you can't rationalize why you wouldn't just give a free pass to anywhere you choose due to the populations issues that would cause beyond where we are at now, i can't help you.
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Mrpoodles
04.30.2012 , 09:44 AM | #36
i am mega happy its server only. keep it that way always. make servers more fun and make new friends. i dont want a wow LFG full of bigots/punks/trolls/elite cool guys.
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Bloodstealer
04.30.2012 , 09:45 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
No, it doesn't negate my entire argument because people that have already rerolled on heavy pop servers will STILL have to pay money to transfer their low pop characters once transfer's are allowed. I rerolled to two heavy pop servers already and I've always hoped that I'd be able to transfer the toons I left behind once server transfers were available. Do you honestly think Bioware will allow me to transfer my low pop character to already heavily populated servers for free? If I can't, then those characters become useless because again, I'm not paying more money for Bioware's mistakes.


In the very least, if you are already ON a heavy pop server right now, they should allow free transfers of your other characters to said server. If they do, I'd be happy and I'd gladly eat crow for my assumptions. But, they've already fooled me once by charging for transfers in the first place... and you know the saying....
Just give it up already.. you know absolutely nothing.... you are guessing everything and anything just to get yourself some attention... no matter how many players counter argue your guesswork you fail to acknowledge an ything other than you personal gripe .

If transfers came in tomorrow free or chargeable, I am guessing that you have a choice.. go with it or leave simple as that.. if RIFT offers you something that SWTOR doesnt then go play it, dont waste any more coin paying for a game that offers you somethng which adversely effects your enjoyment...

My chosen server is Colonel Tobin, which from Beta thro to launch was actually a pretty decent population server.. but it has dwindled to the point its just about playable just before and just after my peak times 6pm-11pm UK... but that's fine.. I have had no desire to keep re-rolling to other servers, when actually they might end up going the same way.. heck even Fatman might see a decline when the majority of players hit 50, get bored and go play GW2 or something instead... its a trend that effects every MMO... even the one that shall not be named

To come to the forum bleeting your disdain over things you have zero facts to back up, merley makes you look like a DOOO1100!!!1001000M spreader, and someone feeling hard done by cos maybe the guild or in-game / RL friends have decided to go elsewhere...
Personally I would rather wait and maybe, just maybe my chosen server may see an influx of players transfering back or even if due to limited choices on the transfer tool... BUT until then it's all just HERESAY !!!

Regarding LFG... have you actually used X-Server LFG's.. if your already whinning about low pop server choices then even if you transfer your toons all to one place, the effect of X-server LFG can have a unwelcome impact even on a high pop server, where more guild runs are likely already prominent... to have your population watered down as they dissapear across server may lead others to think.. then again those already on ligh / standard servers where grouping can be a struggle already, will only see the issue further compunded more... the only real plus would likely come to PVP where fast as queue times would be much quicker due to the random selection they take... but thats very diffdernt to specific grping requirements... so your opinion is nothing more than your opinion, which you are entitled to.. but as for 2nd guessing things you have zero fact to back up... give it up till you have something which you can come and proclaim to the masses
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Valkirus
04.30.2012 , 09:47 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Mrpoodles View Post
i am mega happy its server only. keep it that way always. make servers more fun and make new friends. i dont want a wow LFG full of bigots/punks/trolls/elite cool guys.
You would'nt be forced to use it you know? And for the most part...my cross server LFG runs in WoW have been good ones with nice people and for those who are not...I use the "ignore player" feature . It works very well in weeding out the jerks.
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Galbatorrix
04.30.2012 , 10:12 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by VicSkimmr View Post
This is just you making a ton of assumptions with nothing to back them up with. All we know is that some transfers will require a fee. You're assuming that you won't qualify and getting upset over it. This is the very definition of a straw man. If you apply some logic and look at it from their point of view, I'm pretty sure you'll realize that they were always going to require fees for some transfers. They didn't "fool" you with this decision.

Yes, they did fool me. Before mentioning the server transfer fee, they stated that the LFG queue was going to be same server. Same server queues are always going to be long and frustrating if you're on a server with a low population. Using logic, I always figured Bioware would allow free transfers to combat this. If you don't like the long wait times, transfer to a high pop server and have fun with it. But, making us pay for this server, IMO, is ridiculous.

If Bioware is dead set on making it's clients pay for their mistakes in the beginning, then they need to go ahead and make the LFG feature cross server. Then again, they can't make money on server transfers that way, so I'm sure they'll stick to their guns... all the while giving the player base the middle finger.

Heck, WOW offers free server transfers as well. But again, it's so limited and the requirements are so steep that you normally never qualify. Then again, they were at least smart enough to make the LFG tool cross server....

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amantheil
04.30.2012 , 10:19 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Yes, they did fool me. Before mentioning the server transfer fee, they stated that the LFG queue was going to be same server. Same server queues are always going to be long and frustrating if you're on a server with a low population. Using logic, I always figured Bioware would allow free transfers to combat this. If you don't like the long wait times, transfer to a high pop server and have fun with it. But, making us pay for this server, IMO, is ridiculous.
"Figured" being the key word. You made an incorrect assumption. Nobody deliberately fooled you.

And also - they are allowing free transfers! They are also implementing some paid transfers - but they still haven't said which transfers will be free and which will require money.

(I put that in bold and italics since you seem to keep missing that point, no matter how many times people say that to you).

Complaining that you have to pay for a server transfer, when Bioware hasn't actually told you if you'll need to pay for that transfer is also ridiculous (to use your words).


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If Bioware is dead set on making it's clients pay for their mistakes in the beginning, then they need to go ahead and make the LFG feature cross server. Then again, they can't make money on server transfers that way, so I'm sure they'll stick to their guns... all the while giving the player base the middle finger.
You're still making all sorts of wild assumptions based on limited knowledge. We have no idea what transfers will be free, what transfers will cost money. We have no idea how much the transfers will cost. And yet, you keep complaining about having to pay for something that Bioware hasn't charged you for yet.