What Sent/Mar spec and change has contributed to them becoming op?

I assume you mean sentinels/maras shouldn't lose 1v1 against shadows/assassins? There was a reason why I asked for someone to have relevant experience before disagreeing with me ...

I do loads of solo guard duty with my mara precisely because there are less than 10 players on my server who have a better than even chance of soloing me.

They are all shadows or assassins in tank spec with dps gear. Bad players with this set up but good gear I can beat, or good players with bad gear.

But if they have both then they have much better cc, self-heals, stronger and longer lasting defences (they are tanks). My dps is better but not by enough to overcome all those disadvantages.

Add in the fact shadows/assassins have good aoe damage (which 2/3 of sents/maras don't) and can guard healers, and I think you must conclude only one of these two ACs is OP.

No?

Between saber ward, undying rage and camo (use this when they use recklessness harnessed force lightning...killing off a relatively force intensive ability that's also their highest damage attack is kind of useful) you shouldnt really lose to them, but im not really sure why what you claimed impacts whether someone is op,

Their damage isn't all that amazing, it's their survivability and utility vs the damage that's their issue, but an inability to heal through their damage isn't it, which is one of the issues created with the altered environment that's led to the plethora of these threads.

Their damage is pressure, more than killing power, their survivability is top notch and their utility is comparable if not better than a sorcs, it's pretty clear that the devs nevr really considered the impact of dps gear to that talent tree.

They were always like this but people didn't know how powerful the rage spec is. Now thanks to the buff Bioware kinda forced them to spec to it and now people realized how powerful it is.

Oh and also rage spec is easiest to play. You needed to be good if you want to do decent damage with other specs, since the majority of players are bad they didn't even notice how powerful the class is. Thats why even some really bad marauders were claiming they are up. But now they just play rage spec and herpderp their way.

My 2 friends were the only warriors on my server who were playing rage spec prior to 1.2 . Now every warrior is rage specced. (I mean every marauder/sentinel and every juggernaut/guardian)

And why marauders are OP,

- 2 minute (??) cooldown on immunity
- 1 minute cooldown on cloak of pain (%20 reduced damage) which has a 30 second duration if the target takes damage (dots apply to this mechanic)
- Vanish (don't know the cooldown but its pretty short)
- Saber Ward which makes %50 reduced damage for white damages and %25 for yellow ones. (not so sure about that)
- %90 accuracy debuff (since I am a healer I don't know if they put the debuff on you or they have a buff that negates everyones accuracy )

- They are the best damage dealers.
- They have good mobility. ( one 30m charge, one 10m charge, sprint)
- Aoe blind.

Only thing they lack is a knockback and a stun.

They have the best damage and best survival, with enough mobility. You have to be braindead if you can't see the opness of this class. They just don't have any weakness.

5 second 99% damage reduction on a class that has high burst and Sustained dps, can't be kited and can choose to disappear anytime they want AND have other multiple CD is a horrible idea.

Well, ok so you have put some quality thought behind your opinion. But have you actually tried soloing a capable tank assassin/shadow (dps gear) with a sentinel/marauder much?

I have done so often and I find that if their gear and skill is as good as mine then I can do everything right and still lose by a good margin. One of the main points is that the defensive abilities you mention (which are all excellent) last for a cumulative total of 21 seconds. This duel is going to last at least 30 - 40 seconds. So the rest of the time I'm naked. And all marauders/sentinels know we go down really quickly without any cds.

I didn't say their damage was amazing but you say yourself that the devs probably didn't expect a dps geared hybrid. Their damage is much stronger than it should be considering all the other advantages you list (which I agree with) . Given their survival and utility, their damage is sufficient to allow them to kill me before I can kill them.

I am going to guess something fom the way you discuss this - is your main a healer? As a healer you would have a different perspective because you could heal through tankassin damage (as you say), whereas good sents/maras are your counter class.

But I say that all things being equal tankassins are clearly superior to sents/maras 1v1 and that suggests to me that sents/maras are not OP?

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So 1 class can beat you and you can beat all others, you considerthat to not be OP?

I suggest you try a class other than Sent/Marauder or Tankassin

I see from another thread that you play a shadow yourself, Ashaari. Just so we know where you're coming from then

I think it's hard to say regarding OP since it's a team game, and class balance is usually more important in WZs than which kind of dps each team brought.

Exaggerated example, but good luck defeating a nice 2 tanks, 2 healers, 4 dps set up with 8 marauders! (I suppose the maras might win if it was huttball.)

But if, as I maintain, tankassins can 1v1 marauders all things being equal then surely marauders shouldn't be the priority target for the nerf bat?

Incidentally, you will see from my sig that I also play an op healer, but I agree with your general point that playing a variety of classes gives you much better perspective on these things.

How are they CAN'T e kited?

It is pretty simple,

Smash Spec = Extremely easy to play.
Dot Spec = Harder to play but destroys single targets.

and if you buy now you get all these bonuses:

Best Damage in the game
Best Survivability in the game
Can 2v1 No problem.
OP Defensive CD's...? ROFL

Medpack on same CD as their Undying Rage = Problem here? (It's supposed to be a last ditch effort CD, not a Wait im gonna heal myself and get healed while im invulnerable.)

Exemple : you are killing a marauder, hes at about 5%, he pops his undying rage + medpack = back to 25%, continue killing you, then if there is an healer close by he will be 100% full before you know it, if not he force camo and run away and come back 1min later since his undying rage will be OFF CD.

This Class Clearly has no CONS.

I won't talk about my defensive cd's as a sniper.

No only an idiot stuns ravage. Only stun gbtf or ur