Some players bail too easy in PvP

BTW - If all the "good" players quit at the 1st sign of a challenge then how are the others going to learn and get better. Try helping fellow Reps or Imps out and increase the pool of good players. It starts with communication. Helping others helps yourself.

two points.

first. i learned how to pvp on my own, and continue to do so. i do it by watching decent players and trying to do like they do. i do it by noticing patterns in the way the other teams react. i do it by drawing on past experience to judge where to be at the right time. but mostly... i do it myself.

two. i don't owe it to anyone to make them better. they either want to improve on their own and will make the effort to do so, or they won't. its not up to me to teach them. that's just another form of carrying, and if i don't ask anyone else to carry me, why should i be expected to carry them, in any way, shape or form?

i don't ask much. just that you make an effort to improve yourself. ill sit in a losing match if i can tell the people there are trying. but when they're doing nothing but deathmatching in the middle of the field and ignoring the objectives... sorry. if you show a bit of effort to help yourself, ill help you. if you don't make any effort to help yourself though, don't ask me to help you.

i don't have the patience to deal with playing alongside bad players who aren't capable of helping themselves... i sure as hell don't have the patience to become their mentor.

I never leave WZ either unless my char is bugged or something like that.

A faceroll win is really not as fun as a hard fought lose. You get gear faster by keep winning. But in the long run we will all be geared so do your best every game and enjoy the hard fights.

Winning a close game and made key contribution is no doubt the best though.

But I'm starting to believe that bads will always be bads. Even such a simple thing, such as buying recruit gear and dpsing healers, seems impossible for some to grasp.

Edit: Of course, and play to the objectives, etc. etc. you get my drift.

for the most part im pretty sure the people who leave have no problem with spending time in a close match, even if its a loss.

came to that conclusion long ago.

its the old "its my 15 bucks a month, i can play how i want to!" argument.

well, that's fine. just don't ask me to also play the way you want to until you pay my 15 bucks a month.

maybe if you, who call others ADD, checked back a page or two in this thread you'd notice my other posts.

ive said it very clearly.

i will give the same effort my team puts forth. if its a close match, even if it ends up a loss, i have zero problem with that and will stick around and do my best.

but if i get jammed in with a team that is so uncoordinated and/or clueless about the objectives that we're 3 capped within the first couple minutes of ald, or the score in huttball is 0-3 in less than 2 minutes...

you get what you give. you give me nothing, you'll get nothing in return.

and i take back what i said... i won't stop pvping. instead ill just sit and afk in a corner. chances are i won't get vote kicked that often because the teams i leave are so damn uncoordinated that i doubt they could even get enough votes together to boot me before the match ends.

you want to drag me down and force me to play on your level by putting in deserter debuffs, that's fine with me... i have a tv right next to my pc. i can watch a flick and still contribute more to a win than you. but, if possible, ill do everything i can to make sure you lose. not that it would take much effort, since if you had had a chance of winning in the first place i wouldn't have considered leaving the match.

i would have been content to let you suck on your own, but since you insist on dragging me down with you... you'll get the opportunity to reap what you sow. enjoy.

this statment is way off. i can see maybe 13k but for the most part 16k is full BM gear. i play a Vig Gaurdian in full BM gear with 16.5k buffed HP. i guess there are a ton of people like you that no amount of HP is good enough for people to have for them. some people just think if you are not in max gear that you dont belong in the que. funny thing is you had to do the same grind as the these people and were once at 13 to 14k HP. not liek you join a PvP match for the first time with 20k. i dont get why you would give others a hard time when they are trying to grind out the gear.

one guy today said in chat that no one under 18k is worth a damn and he just would not shut up about it. blaming people for something they have no controll over is idiotic.