What Sent/Mar spec and change has contributed to them becoming op?

so much wrong with this thread. first off commando/merc damage was severly nerfed in an interview zoeller said the damage on those skills was reduced 30% demo round was hitting for 8k now its critting while fully raid buffed on trash mobs for 4500 high impact bolt isnt hitting any harder and full auto is hitting for 2500 crits which is on par with where it was before. The problem with commando's and merc is while they want to discourage you from using grav/tracer its what the whole spec requires to function. if you dont get your full auto buff full auto hits for 1900 crits demo round hits for 3500 and hib hits for 30% less. if you dont use grav/tracer you cant even use hib (High Impact Bolt). the problem is full auto demo round and hib have 15 second cooldowns so we can hammer shot *auto attack* or cast grav round. We'd love to have a new spam spell option or two in the tree but we don't have one. Sure we could use charged bolts but it hits for 500 less than grav round and doesn't buff demo round or allow the use of HiB. We'd love to spam full auto as its 2 ammo hits for the same damage as grav each second for 3 seconds but the proc doesn't happen enough. Realistically every 2 grav rounds we should get a full auto proc but in reality i've gone 15 seconds before being able to use full auto because the 7 grav rounds didn't cause it to trigger. Overall pre1.2 to 1.2 we have suffered about a 20-25% nerf in damage. This is not imagined its actual data

As far as Sentinels go I tell all of them to use this spec.

http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#501bcZMMZGMRrdfRbcz.1

This makes your force sweep aoe usable every 12 seconds and hits up to 5 targets around you for 7-8k. it generates mass amounts of centering and makes crit slash's free and when your zen is being used it actually generated 1 focus on non crits and 3 on crits. each time your struck you generate 2 centering 3 if its in the 50% of the time you have rebuke up your force spending moves generate 4 centering which can be used to power singularity allowing for the 7k sweeps. at 30 when playing in pvp i was getting 6k force sweeps every 12 seconds and the spec was only half way set up.

So yeah with pretty much a universal nerf to damage what they refered to as rebalanceding sents/mara's feel reallly really op. The fact is guardians/mauraders using focus are also opish at the moment as its the shared tree thats op. vanguards/powertechs also feel really op if played right and they also got buffs instead of nerfs. however shadow/assassins tank spec is the most broken pvp spec right now so if you want the FotM spec roll an assassin and play tank there's a ton of posts about this spec and even videos showing it in action if you want to look it up.

7-8k smash?

This isnt 1.0 where 50's stim stacking with pvp gear are fighting 20's. Look at the description of the video when you youtube.

Your right all i can say is at 37 i'm getting 6k i'll assume in full bm gear 7-8k is possible. Oh and I don't use stims or adrenals or boxes to achieve this. hmm maybe you should learn your class

as a side note i'm getting 4k in pve instances at 37 and thats against level 40 mobs when i stack. double damage to force sweep with guarenteed crits is amazing.

learn my class, and you are claiming 8k smashes are still possible. ok.

Pro tip: once you hit the 50 bracket, you wont have 10-20's with no armor to bolster to inflate your numbers. Most i've been hit for by a sent/marauder smash is 2.5-3k

well these number are on red procing players so 42+. also very very few imps get into pvp matches under mid 30's and even less without a team who thinks they are ready. honestly while i hate the queueing system in the game this is one of the nice perks. anything someone says only on low level players bull is just that bull. on the flipside rep on my server queue quit often in the teens. maybe since your some 50's sent/maurader go spec with my spec and attack a pvp dummy. its simple test force leap in force choke to 4 singularity force sweep and record the numbers. Well maybe a little harder for you than some but i think you could manage it.

<3 the e-thug attituide when someone tells you that you are wrong

Hold it!

Oh I see what you did there. Well played!

as far as that spec is bull. I am a co-gm of a guild with over 100 active players probably closer to 125-150. i've given people this spec at 50 to people who didnt even have the money to purchase full recruit gear so were using gear in the 40's for some of their pieces who really enjoyed pvp and against the premade full bm groups on our server they are hitting 5-6k on force sweep. This spec is really this broken and its even obvious pretty much from early 30's. I'd say you have one of the classes in question or you played with people who didn't have the spec and assumed the non-singularity boosted sweeps were 4x singularity boosted sweeps. I have a 37 sent and i pvp on all my characters. if I didn't think it needed adjusted as someone who plays it i wouldn't even bring it up. This spec is totally brokenly op.

as far as E-thug attitude this is how I talk this is how I talk to your face behind your back in front of your wife or mother. Its not E-thug its how people talk where i'm from. I do not appreciate you saying that i'm attempting to intimidate you when in fact i'm trying to enlighten the general forum goers to this spec. The question I was answering and you keep trying to change the subject of was why are sent/mauraders op and this is why. its the synergy of the talents that feed into a few specific abilities making them hit well outside what is normal and its likely a spec not considered or fully tested by the designers. The fact that me bringing this spec to light makes you sound like your trying to quash it from being widely distributed and thus keep it for yourself and it sounds a lot like your trying to prevent it being rebalanced.

As a marauder who has played Carnage all along:

My average damage (I know damage is not the best way to determine good/bad play) has actually dropped since 1.2.

My survivability is about the same. Undying Rage has always been a great ability, but let's face it, almost any class can easily CC the Mara/Sent until that is over, I do it when i fight other Mara/Sent all the time. If you can't figure out that seeing 5 or 7 damage popping means that he has UR active and you need to CC him, you are too stupid to deserve to win.

Cloak of Pain can last for what, about 30 seconds if you are being hit all the time, which granted, is usually when you use it. Saber Ward comes up once every 3 minutes. It is very easy to just wait a Mara/Sent out and smash them when they have their CDs off and are super squishy.

Whiners need to stop crying that they are OP because they keep trying to smash the Mara/Sent instead of killing his pocket healer.

about them having too much survivability... well they are one of the few classes in the game that is really melee. This is a game largely built around ranged, and that makes it hell for a lot of Mara/Sent.

If you feel like the Mara/Sent you are fighting are OP you either need to A) start queueing in groups, because obviously they are. B) Gear Up. C) L2P. D) Give up, you are terrible.