Some players bail too easy in PvP

agreed.

when i leave a match, its not like im demanding they change the way they play. if they want to play poorly, fine with me, i just don't want to be a part of it.

but when they demand that i either stick around and play at their level, or else get a debuff or some other sort of punishment, and in the same breath dare to call me selfish, while also holding themselves up as paragons of altruism...

my god, the hypocrisy of these people is amazing.

hmmm, i like how your logic works.

lets see if we can use it from the other side...

EVERYONE who is in the habit of continuing to play badly and never making the slightest effort to improve on your own is a CHUMP.

YOU are the ones making PVP worse, even worse than the prolblems with premades, pugs and over powered toons.
Care to admit that?

This is a multiplayer game, and this attitude shows that you are not only selfish, but you don't mind screwing over other players. NOT COOL. This isn't the only problem, but one created by some PLAYERS and NOT BioWare.

If you "whiners" were any good, and tried hard then your team might never have to even worry about needing a comeback win.
If you don't want to be a team player and stop dragging down the smarter, more capable players, then don't play a team game. It's not too late to turn from the Carebear SIde.

yea... i do like your logic, works very nicely.

I hate repeating myself but I feel I must...you don't pay my sub or my net. Sorry if you don't like that fact but easy fix is to start paying then I will do what you wish. Until then I will do as I please and if you don't like it? So what. I play to win with the time I paid for not to carebear an already dead team who is medal farming. That is MY CHOICE. If it ruins YOUR game then I guess the one constant is you...isn't it?

Too true and the unwarranted sense of entitlement. They make it sound like they should be in control of time you are paying for. LMAO I could net a phd in psychotherapy in one day just by using these forums as material.

but heaven forbid if they don't get something for nothing.

a few weeks back the devs tried to punish the bad players by reducing the rewards gained from losing...

****, the amount of cry was absolutely epic.

so much easier to just blame the good players who don't want to put up with it than it is for them to pull themselves up to the same level as the "chumps" who are tired of being dragged down by their lack of ability.

I disagree!

If I join a game and only see full geared players on the opposite side, then I leave and right after this a new player will get in, who might have better suited gear for that fight.

You act like people wait minutes for a replacement / none is coming at all.. but thats not true. I have seen new players come in always right after someone was gone.

You can ofc. blame people that leave all the time, but this wont change the broken system itself. Blizz gave leavers a 30 min deserter but never cared to fix the reasons for leaving - thats the wrong way, because then people just stop playing or scream "lose fast".

Bw should just fix the queue system, I am sure its not so hard once the xrealm queues are up and then people with similar skill and gear + group size will meet and this is way more fun than our current situation.

I played pvp at vanilla and we only had premades and it was hell of fun and I never ran away of a hard fight, but at Tor and also current wow the fights that you get are no fun at all, as you have lost allready by entering the queue

Yes exactly! The assumption I have seen is that "bad" players leave but they are ignoring just what you said. The good players who leave to better spend their time gaining something instead of trying to 2-3 man win against poor odds and players who are just there to top a list for 2 seconds of bragging.

The reduction you mentioned IMO was a bad move as it hits even the good players who find themselves in a match with a team who isn't trying...hence why I normally bail on those.

I have two 50's. One geared in full BM and one in recruit. I die a ton on the under geared one but I get some mvp votes even with not so great numbers because they see I am doing all I can and popping everything to perform. it's obvious and I make it that way. And that's the rub, I try as I'm sure you do too...I won't stay for a team who isn't. BW says I don't have to hence the "leave warzone" button.

Very valid points and opinions by all. If I got "comical" then Im glad I made you laugh. I just hope now that some of you will think twice before bailing on your team. I have pretty much said my peace and so... HAVE FUN EVERYONE.

to those who think their opinion actually matters a damn about how others play YOU ARE SELFISH.

if a leaver really pisses you off, send him a tell and sort payment details to pay for his sub, then you can have a say as to how they play

yes, it is very selfish of me to quit a warzone. but guess what? i am paying to play a game that i enjoy. when it becomes apparent that i am not going to enjoy a warzone, im not going to stay. i will leave and either queue for another warzone and hope for a better team, or i will do something else.

the number of people quitting warzones is not the problem. the problem is the number of people who do not have a clue what theyre doing in warzones. i do not know how this happens, because you should have learned at least a little about the pvp mechanics whilst getting to 50, and you should be familiar with your class mechanics through leveling. i honestly had a jugg tank in a warzone a few days ago argue with me when i asked if he was using his taunts. he told me taunts have no affect in pvp.......... /facepalm

i am willing to bet that this is why most people quit warzones. not b/c they might lose, but because it is simply not fun to be forced to play with bad players. you fix the bad players, and i guarantee that people abandoning warzones would not be a huge issue anymore. unfortunately there is no real way to fix bad players, so its kind of a catch-22