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Not another WoW PLEASE!!!


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Lt_Latency
04.28.2012 , 06:20 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
These 3 "tools" solved nothing, but opened the door for elitist players who now run wow. The game has become a job, where you MUST deliver like a small minority of progamers - if you dont, you get kicked out of groups, insulted etc.

Right after the combat log was added to Tor, I saw people complain about damage. Now that those recount meters are available Tor is most likely moving into the direction of wow.



I wish BW would have had the guts to keep Tor away from wow - and build a community of players that are a bit older and follow the original way of playing MMO´s...
Group finder and x-server.

Give you a bigger pool of players for faster and better matching, Very important for pvp. If you want to group with your friends on your server do that. No one makes you use the tool.



Duel spec
is to allow people who like both pve and pvp to play both without spending a fortune on respecing,
If you show up to a pve raid in a full pvp spec people are not happy with you or vice versa


This game community is no different then WoWs, right now. Added these features aren't going to change anything because there is nothing to change


If you don't want to play well, That is fine. Group and play with other people who don't care about max/min but why should players that DO care about max/min be forced to carry you????

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GalacticKegger
04.28.2012 , 06:26 PM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
These 3 "tools" solved nothing, but opened the door for elitist players who now run wow. The game has become a job, where you MUST deliver like a small minority of progamers - if you dont, you get kicked out of groups, insulted etc.

Right after the combat log was added to Tor, I saw people complain about damage. Now that those recount meters are available Tor is most likely moving into the direction of wow.

It is sad, as the game had great potential - I guarentee everyone that all those people that demand, addons, LFG, Dualspec etc. will go back to wow anyways and hardly anyone will be left.

I wish BW would have had the guts to keep Tor away from wow - and build a community of players that are a bit older and follow the original way of playing MMO´s...
Fortunately BW is staying old school for the most part. LFG will be single server-only. If macros are ever allowed we've been told they will NOT be usable for combat. Addons won't happen because BW said so at the guild summit. And unless I really missed something Recount (or its equivalent) is not available in TOR. The combat log that came with 1.2 is for offline parsing. No one will ever be able to justify complaints about damage because they have no idea what kind of specific damage anyone is doing. It's not real time and dev has emphatically stated that it will stay that way. More feel requiring less science.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Hyfy
04.28.2012 , 06:34 PM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by Lt_Latency View Post
Group finder and x-server.

Give you a bigger pool of players for faster and better matching, Very important for pvp. If you want to group with your friends on your server do that. No one makes you use the tool.

If you don't want to play well, That is fine. Group and play with other people who don't care about max/min but why should players that DO care about max/min be forced to carry you????

Duel spec
is to allow people who like both pve and pvp to play both without spending a fortune on respecing,
If you show up to a pve raid in a full pvp spec people are not happy with you or vice versa


This game community is no different then WoWs, right now. Added these features aren't going to change anything because there is nothing to change
See it is exactly this kind of attitude that has given the WoW kiddies the stigma they suffer from. Just because I don't care about min/maxing doesn't mean the rest of the group is going to carry me. That is a ******** lazy *** excuse born out of nothing but sheer *********** ignorance. That is an excuse used by people who are afraid that THEY need to be carried by other people because they are incapable of using anything but an optimum group dynamic. People who lack the ability to change tactics or make adjustments on the fly. It is the sign of someone who is unimaginative.
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RachelAnne
04.28.2012 , 06:39 PM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by Lt_Latency View Post
Group finder and x-server.

Give you a bigger pool of players for faster and better matching, Very important for pvp. If you want to group with your friends on your server do that. No one makes you use the tool.

Duel spec
is to allow people who like both pve and pvp to play both without spending a fortune on respecing,
If you show up to a pve raid in a full pvp spec people are not happy with you or vice versa


This game community is no different then WoWs, right now. Added these features aren't going to change anything because there is nothing to change
You clearly lack the experience and confidence that a person doesnt need to have the spec of "Nihilum & co" to be successfull in this game or at wow.

All that "must have 30/21 of Kungen for pve" is just an illusion and made up by people who are not so good and think that their poor performance is because of a spec, item lvl or similar things.

The only people that really need a perfect spec, a dps meter etc. are those that get paid for playing games - those in a professionel environment.

I never ever needed dual spec, addons etc. while I was playing semi professionel pve and pvp at wow (except raid assist) , so to demand that those casuals who are the majority in those games now must have all these professionel tools is just wrong, There is simply no need for it, especially if you look at the low difficulty at wow.


Also I fail to see why a LFG tool does help people. To wait 30 min and then getting into a dungeon that you cant finish due low skilled players, or where you instantly get kicked, is not really an improvement. There is a reason why Blizz tries to force people into the dungeon finder, all these little boni or punishments aka deserter wouldnt be necessary if the tool would be so great.

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Lt_Latency
04.28.2012 , 06:40 PM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by Hyfy View Post
See it is exactly this kind of attitude that has given the WoW kiddies the stigma they suffer from. Just because I don't care about min/maxing doesn't mean the rest of the group is going to carry me. That is a ******** lazy *** excuse born out of nothing but sheer *********** ignorance. That is an excuse used by people who are afraid that THEY need to be carried by other people because they are incapable of using anything but an optimum group dynamic. People who lack the ability to change tactics or make adjustments on the fly. It is the sign of someone who is unimaginative.
Then you should show a decent amount of damage and it's not a issue is it.

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Lt_Latency
04.28.2012 , 06:43 PM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
You clearly lack the experience and confidence that a person doesnt need to have the spec of "Nihilum & co" to be successfull in this game or at wow.

All that "must have 30/21 of Kungen for pve" is just an illusion and made up by people who are not so good and think that their poor performance is because of a spec, item lvl or similar things.

The only people that really need a perfect spec, a dps meter etc. are those that get paid for playing games - those in a professionel environment.
see above
Quote: Originally Posted by RachelAnne View Post
I never ever needed dual spec, addons etc. while I was playing semi professionel pve and pvp at wow (except raid assist) , so to demand that those casuals who are the majority in those games now must have all these professionel tools is just wrong, There is simply no need for it, especially if you look at the low difficulty at wow.
BS, If your a top level Arena team you are running a PvP spec. And you should be respecing to pve for top raiding. some classes could get away with it say a healing paladin. They could do both with almost the same spec but most can't

Say your the guilds PvE tank, That means you go get totally shafted when you want to go pvp?? Thats why they let you take 2 specs

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siegedeluxe
04.28.2012 , 06:47 PM | #117
LFG -> Good feature.
Proper Search Filters for AH -> Good feature.
Addons -> Great feature.
Working economy -> Durr.
Dual spec -> Excellent feature.

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celebrei
04.28.2012 , 06:50 PM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by siegedeluxe View Post
LFG -> Good feature.
Proper Search Filters for AH -> Good feature.
Addons -> Great feature.
Working economy -> Durr.
Dual spec -> Excellent feature.
And none of the things you listed are present atm

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siegedeluxe
04.28.2012 , 06:56 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by celebrei View Post
And none of the things you listed are present atm
indeed, sad really.

dual specs would solve allot of problems in this game, but sadly, bioware is too thick in the head.

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Sarfux
04.28.2012 , 06:56 PM | #120
apart from having raids and guilds..

this game is far from wow.

Unless you call every game with hotkey bindings, interaces, and skills a wow clone.
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