Not another WoW PLEASE!!!

I always find these "Without X, Y wouldn't exist" statements ridiculous. Without your dad, you wouldn't exist. Does that mean that anything you achieve during your life is all down to your father? Of course not.

Saying Everquest is the reason WoW exists is just as stupid. They share no code at all, no backend infrastucture, or artwork. They're both MMO's, that's about it. People get nostalgic about old MMO's, but without the rose tinted glasses, they have to be seen as what they were - a bit crap really. Especially compared to today's games.

I own several old arcade machines from the 80's and 90's. I love playing Centipede, Metal Slug, etc, but they're nowhere near the technical achievement of something like Mass Effect 3.

People are asking for things used in WoW for a reason: They work! There's a reason WoW has 10 million or so subs while SWTOR has under a million (as it's rumoured) - the reason is that they're doing stuff players like. If players didn't like it, they'd all leave. I left WoW, and I left SWTOR - but I played WoW for about 7 years, and only played SWTOR for a few months before I got bored of it and irritated at bugs and other issues. Bit of a difference.

I just have to put my support into this thread. I don't have much more to say that hasn't already ben said.

We don't need addons. Just some tweaks to UI.
We don't need damage meter.
We don't need item level.
If we get a dungeon finder, please make an option for it to be server only, and DO NOT nerf the dungeons.
We do NOT need heirlooms.

It's not that the people who don't want this are bad player, and they want to hid their damage out put or crappy gear. It's that a player is more than their gear and/or damage output.

People have been whining that the Lvl. 14 inheritance items from the kits should be heirlooms. Heirlooms RUINED leveling in Wow.

I don't understand what this has to do with anything? If there had never been horse-drawn carriages, car's might have never existed, but that doesn't mean we should go back to them.... Okay, terrible example, but you understand what I mean.

While this is an issue, I really think WoW is gonna be dead with the pandas.

This is true. Wow was great at one point. But it has been nerfed so crazy much. Dungeons are boring and can be done in ten minutes. They made an already fast leveling process even faster. I never die in Wow. It's too easy. Games should be kinda hard sometimes.

Good ideas that Wow has had:
Dungeon finders. Just don't nerf the dungeons, and I'll stay happy. Infact, make em harder if you have to. W/e.
Duel speccing. Nothing bad about that. It just saves everyone some cash.
Server transfers. Not gonna explain that one.




Okay. That post was long. I'm done.

Remove China and WoW has what, maybe a couple of million subs?. Bad argument on your part sir. Also, do you even know who Gamesworkshop is?

This game is already a WOW clone, it just is, and that's fine, just make sure that they include the good features that WOW had. I've never played WOW myself but they are the most popular game in history, by far, for a reason, take those reasons and apply them here, and leave what didn't work for a majority of players behind.

That's your opinion. For the vast majority of people, hierlooms are very convenient. They speed up levelling alts, and allow the player to level without worrying about gear all the time. It's actually beneficial to new players as well, as there's less competition for loot if some players in a party already have heirlooms, so don't need any gear.

Yet again another "WoW is dead" prediction. It won't be "dead" - in fact it'll still be going for years as yet whether you like it or not. I don't play it any more, but I still have a lot of friends that do. I no longer know anyone in RL playing SWTOR - one of the reasons I left. The server I was on pretty much is dead.

With the panda/Pokemon expansion, Blizzard are obviously going after a different market.. I'm sure they've researched it and it'll push up subs, not drop them.

One thing I do believe is a good idea (and Blizzard never added) is to allow the player to choose whether to queue for cross-realm dungeon finder, or just queue on their own server. Cross-realm groups did serious damage to the community in WoW - and will in any MMO.

What kind of logic is this?! Ok yeah, if you remove an entire nation from the stats they'll be lower. Hey, if you remove the US and Europe from SWTOR's subs, I bet they'll be lower too. Genius...

Yes, I do know what Games Workshop is. It has nothing to do with the creation of WoW. Certainly Blizzard's taken ideas from all over the place. So has every other company. Star Wars wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Flash Gordon I guess? After all, that had spaceships, so Lucas MUST have based it all on that.

Money!!!!!

Thats all it boils down to. BW want to grab some of the $100million+ that Blizzard get every month.

when there's an lfg and other modern mmo breakthroughs I might resubscribe.

You do relaize WoW didn't just happen? Blizzard started With Warcraft: Orc's vs Humans which derived from Gamesworkshop's Warhammer, that was an RTS btw..

Here is an interesting read for ya http://www.guildnetwork.net/guildnetwork/?q=node/29

Recount: naah, id rather go for a scale based system that judges you by dps/hps/dmg taken, ratings. Lets say that there could be 5 levels ranging between "very low, low, medium, high, Very high, deathmetal panda"

I really want to see what is lacking in a group and try to fix it by telling people to read up on how to perform their duties without the usual "i have now pulled off X dps and now have a massive erection" competitions.

Cross server WZ/FP's and serverwide LFG/LFF: ahhh hell yeah, cant tell you how much i want to run flashpoints for both xp and the experience (heh) it self.

I am close to my 4th lvl 50 char and have only seen 4 of the collection of nifty flashpoints in the game while leveling due to the long cooldown on fleetpass, and standing around in the fleet all day long trying to get a flashpoint group (further on, even that is not a guarantee because people are most likely out somewhere getting xp by questing, which i usually count as a good idea after an hour or so) is not what i count as "taking part of the community".

Good ideas that should have been implemented as early as EQ1 is just good ideas and should not count as "wowcloning".