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Orange Sabers need adjusting since they are all the same.. level 20 is same as 50.

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Orange Sabers need adjusting since they are all the same.. level 20 is same as 50.

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livnthedream
04.26.2012 , 11:21 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Mysticales View Post
Ok you are right, all orange. No differences. So then why would one waste so much time getting the mats for the higher level ones.. when its no different then the lower level ones.

Also your comment about "sound" on the sabers. Ok I didnt know that one, but again, no way to preview the sound or looks of it. If that was added, that would be good.

Im just saying, for the most part, it feels like there is no point worrying about high level oranges. Now armor oranges, ok. Those one least SEES the difference in armor style. Now with the talks about how it would "ruin everything" I doubt that, TOR is still early in its life. Just right now I do feel its wasted time trying to make level 50 oranges.. when its not different then lower ones. Unless someone would like to educate me how they are different or worthwhile?
you see/hear the differences between them regardless. most of them are fairly different weapons whether you personally notice it or not. by your reckoning the economy has been unbalanced since release because you can craft lvl 11 orange gear, which for some acs doesnt look to bad. i know i prefer much of the lower level orange items to higher for aesthetics and color schemes. while functionally no different, many DO actually care about looks.

let me put it another way, ham steak and top sirloin are mechanically the same, but both are aesthetically different and cost different amounts. i know i personally prefer ham, you may not care, i guess the world is imbalanced.

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CalingDihera
04.26.2012 , 11:24 PM | #12
It all has to do with choice. At lower levels you only have a few items that you can use and limited credits. As you level and more recipes are available you have more choices. They cost more, but your character has far more credits they can spend. So at higher levels you can get the items you think look the best, instead of just the only one you can use at your level.

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04.26.2012 , 11:37 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by JacenHallis View Post
How about, instead of just posting a line of snark that does nothing positive to the community of this game, you post something that actually relates to his idea? Or is that too much to ask on the modern Internet?
Oddly enough you didn't post anything that relates to the OPs idea either, you got snarky on something you took as being snark. As an aside, I love the word snark because it reminds me of snarf or even snork.

On topic to you Mr. or M(r)s. OP, all of the moddable crafted items you mentioned have the same base stats intentionally, the only difference is how they look (never been able to distinguish sounds maybe I have a crap sound card). That is the advantage to using something that you can equip at low level if you like the look of it and just replace the modifications as you level up.

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Cerion
04.26.2012 , 11:37 PM | #14
Well, it remains to be seen whether the aesthetics of a 50lvl augmented saber outweigh its cost over the cheaper, and equally functional 20lvl saber. I've been watching GTN regarding this, and so far it looks like the cheaper custom sabers are outselling the more expensive Elegant.

There is some speculation that the Elegant saber is easier to crit craft, but there hasn't been any extensive testing.
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fushnchips
04.26.2012 , 11:46 PM | #15
Orange is Orange after all can't see why a L50 and L20 one should look different if it's the same colour of course it will be the same now if there was an Elite version of an orange crystal maybe then a different shade is needed to tell the difference.
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Mysticales
04.27.2012 , 09:17 AM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerion View Post
There is some speculation that the Elegant saber is easier to crit craft, but there hasn't been any extensive testing.
I have tested this. Since I do the artifice stuff for my servers GTN. The level 20 is easier to crit. Also its easier to farm the mats for, craft, able to do in bulk. Only REAL downside is that we cant RE these sabers.. would be nice.

mokkh - Kudos on Snarf reference. Just for that you get this. http://larryelmore.com/snarfquest/ (He started making an official sequel!)

Also since ive been seeing alot of s/he comments, its "she" is the OP.

Now then, so basically all we have for an argument about level 20 and level 50... or any orange gear is "How it looks" doesnt that feel abit strange to anyone else who has played alot of MMOs? Dont get me wrong.. True black dye tub and Ice white in ultima online kicked ***.. but least we could dye the parts we wanted for our look.

So yea, Bioware should really make a different preview maybe for "weapons" Maybe if we could SEE it and HEAR it before we waste our time buying/crafting it. That might be ok. I just dont like the idea for some of the sabers that cost alot in pvp items or hm drops.. that if you craft it and think it sucks.. you are sol.

I mean I understand the idea is more about "Well what about if we LIKE how low level orange looks?" Yes that is a good point over all, cause if they changed up level 50 stuff, that would FORCE people to give up their "looks" that they liked. That wouldnt be fair either. (I like my Athiss armor personally) but its still not ideal to say it costs more for level 50 (or any higher level stuff) and yet it really offers no difference.

I could suggest, what if, higher level oranges, did have a diff stat? The way to help people with lower level oranges. Maybe if those could be REed into higher level versions of the same armor. Then they would gain that stat bonus. Would prevent people from losing their looks, also give crafters more to sell cause of the time it would take for them to make the new schem for that. Overall, that might help the economy too.
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Apocalypsezero
04.27.2012 , 09:29 AM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by JacenHallis View Post
How about, instead of just posting a line of snark that does nothing positive to the community of this game, you post something that actually relates to his idea? Or is that too much to ask on the modern Internet?
/facepalm

On subject. Try using torhead.com. they have 3D models of most sabers as far as I know. That way you can see what they look like. As for an ingame preview, that would definitely be nice.
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Kaedian
04.27.2012 , 09:30 AM | #18
Arguably the level 20 sabers/guns etc should be worth more since they can be leveled from 20-50 whereas the level 50 items can only be equipped at cap. /shrug

Edit: Forget for the moment that every class gets orange weapons at the selection of their AC and/or the fact that orange gear drops in droves in the FPs ...
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Revenaught
04.27.2012 , 09:33 AM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by elitenz View Post
Orange is Orange after all can't see why a L50 and L20 one should look different if it's the same colour of course it will be the same now if there was an Elite version of an orange crystal maybe then a different shade is needed to tell the difference.
They aren't talking about the color of the crystal in the saber. They are talking about the quality color of the items schematic, which rank from green to blue to purple and then orange. Green and blue items are not moddable except in rare occasions a companions starter green weapon will be. Some purples are and Oranges are completely moddable and crafted orange have a chance to have an augment slot as well.
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04.27.2012 , 09:37 AM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Mysticales View Post
Ok you are right, all orange. No differences. So then why would one waste so much time getting the mats for the higher level ones.. when its no different then the lower level ones.

Also your comment about "sound" on the sabers. Ok I didnt know that one, but again, no way to preview the sound or looks of it. If that was added, that would be good.
You've already noted the difference: the appearance, and possibly sound defects. Orange shells are all about character customization. Allowing your character to look the way you want to in-game is the entire point of their existence. There's no other reason: Players expended greater resources for the higher-level orange shells because they like that appearance.

If the level 50 saber shells were mechanically better than the level 20 saber shells, you would effectively destroy this; the lower-level shells would no longer be viable options, and as such you would not be able to obtain the appearance you'd like in the game.