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To the biased Sents/Maras defending their OP class

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To the biased Sents/Maras defending their OP class

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Beyaco
04.27.2012 , 08:13 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by iphobia View Post
Sorry, but I have to laugh about all the Marauders who defend their class in the forums.
"Don't 1v1 us"
"Bring a healer or tank"
"Just cc us after charge"
"Just cc us when we use ravage"
"Just cc us when we use speed"
"Just cc us when we use godmode"
"Just kite us"
"Try to get back to your team so someone can help you"
"Powertechs do even more damage then we do"
"We can't kill a guy who has a healer"

That's all what I see here. There are even guys who ask for a buff (i.e. "We need heavy armor because Juggernaut-dps also have", "We need guard, taunt, pull or knockback"). I know, those posts are mostly sarcastic, but I don't think all of them.
Have fun with your Marauder, see ya playing the next FOTM-class in 1.3. Maybe it will be PowerTech...or Sniper...or Operatives...But you will get nerfed to death.
I'll probably roll a gunslinger and maximize their effectiveness - you know, play them correctly - and proceed to watch the cry babies call for their nerf.

I started out as a mando and hated scoundrel so much, that I rolled a scoundrel. They nerfed scoundrel so I went back to my mando. I knew mando was going to get nerfed so I rolled a sentinel. Now, I know sentinel is going to get nerfed, so I will just finish up my gunslinger, vanguard, sage or shadow. Probably gunslinger because, if played properly, they can destroy people before they even know what happened. It has happened to me, but I am not screaming for their nerf, hahaha. Maybe shadow, because they have destroyed me and have a nice pull that is useful. Not sure, but I do know whatever class it is, it will get nerfed.

So, if you are curious about what class is going to get nerfed after sentinals, just ask me what class I decided to play, lol. Because they are sure to get nerfed...

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Sevvy
04.27.2012 , 08:14 AM | #172
Quote: Originally Posted by RTCBrad View Post
I didn't even notice that you asked, I play a sage.
Are you a healer or a DPS Sage? If you're a healer, your class just got overnerfed. Play with a tank.

If you're a DPS Sage, have someone teach you how to kite melee. I know a handful of Sages/Sorcs that are so good at 1v1. I'm serious. I know you'll discount this post as BS. But I guarantee that if you go to your class forums and start a thread called "How do I kill a Marauder?" you'll learn a few new tricks. Totally serious. /shrug
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iphobia
04.27.2012 , 08:14 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by redBadgers View Post
You brought up many ways to counter us, yet you claim its because we are OP. Okay.

When you actually attempt those methods to counter us in PVP, and succeed (because you likely will), then I may listen to you.

EDIT: Also, for the record, I am one who does not believe we need heavy armor. I am fine with medium armor, I honestly don't see the problem there. Probably bad Sents/Marauders whining about armor. Oh well.
Those methods are excactly what I try to do, and it's quite successful. Especially the 2v1-parts because I'm a sorc-healer so I won't kill anything anyway.
I have no problem outhealing/kiting some of the best marauders/sents of my server if they focus me and noone helps me. Vanguards/PT's are a much bigger problem for me.
But I see this all from the view of a dps wo gets into a 1on1 against a marauder/sent.
It's just ridiculous for me that you have to do some of the things I mentioned. For every class there should be at least a fair chance to beat a player of another class with the same amount of gear and skill.

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heavenDor
04.27.2012 , 08:16 AM | #174
How can anyone think that a class with nearly the highest (or highest) DPS deserves an in combat stealth and a 6s 99% invuln? Jesus its like in AoC when the tanks dealt the most damage and could stealth, Maras literally have everything.

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redBadgers
04.27.2012 , 08:16 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by RTCBrad View Post
Okay this will be entertaining.

Mind explaining why you rest your case? Whatever your case may be, it changes so much I'm not even sure at this point.
Seems Sages and Sorcs are the ones that whine the most about Sents or Marauders or the other DPS classes that out DPS the Sages and Sorcs. Not saying that's your reasoning, mind you, but I've seen a lot of them.

You guys got way too many nerfs, for the record. I was livid when I saw the nerfs.

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redBadgers
04.27.2012 , 08:19 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by iphobia View Post
Those methods are excactly what I try to do, and it's quite successful. Especially the 2v1-parts because I'm a sorc-healer so I won't kill anything anyway.
I have no problem outhealing/kiting some of the best marauders/sents of my server if they focus me and noone helps me. Vanguards/PT's are a much bigger problem for me.
But I see this all from the view of a dps wo gets into a 1on1 against a marauder/sent.
It's just ridiculous for me that you have to do some of the things I mentioned. For every class there should be at least a fair chance to beat a player of another class with the same amount of gear and skill.
Very true, I can agree on this. Very valid point.

I wouldn't mind if they threw in a new ability or two, or buffed current ones, to maybe give others a better chance at countering Guarded.

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Sevvy
04.27.2012 , 08:26 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by heavenDor View Post
How can anyone think that a class with nearly the highest (or highest) DPS deserves an in combat stealth and a 6s 99% invuln? Jesus its like in AoC when the tanks dealt the most damage and could stealth, Maras literally have everything.
Go back to I dunno, September of last year and ask Bioware that.

But it wasn't OP then. Marauders/Sentinels were still considered the worst class in the game. It's just NOW that TTK is totally broken, and heals have been nerfed that they're a huge problem. So the solution isn't to fix broken damage and heals, it's to nerf Marauders and Sentinels. o_O
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Madnutter
04.27.2012 , 08:32 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by Sevvy View Post
Go back to I dunno, September of last year and ask Bioware that.

But it wasn't OP then. Marauders/Sentinels were still considered the worst class in the game. It's just NOW that TTK is totally broken, and heals have been nerfed that they're a huge problem. So the solution isn't to fix broken damage and heals, it's to nerf Marauders and Sentinels. o_O
Maras/Sents in good hands have always been one of the best classes, only terrible people made them seem very weak at the start.
And the new TTK is one of the things that contributed to the Maras/Sents becoming considered OP.......and if they lose Guarded by the force/Undying rage or have it altered i would no longer see them as OP (depending on what the change is) but as the damage has gone up, UNdying rage/Guarded by the force is the ONLY defensive cooldown that still pretty much completely mitigates all types of the new higher damage thats going around.

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Ravezaar
04.27.2012 , 08:34 AM | #179
"99% damage reduction is not complete damage immunity"

I cracked up when I read this, must be the worst statement Iv ever seen on any Forums.. so an Ability that we usually trigger for 3-4k on you hits for between 12-20 dmg during this 5sec... must really hurt

"Since 1.2 i don't feel i'm killing any faster or dying any faster"

I guess you are either the only Mara/Sent that experience this or you simple the worst. Most in our Guild has has gone from being among mid to better to Total dmg Domination after 1.2 as Sent

Undying rage/Guarded (5sec immunity) on a DPS class is the worst ability Iv seen in an MMO, only Compared to Rifts Pyromancer Bubble ( gave CC-Imun + 30% ) and Siphon Vitality in Warhammer Online ( Healed MDPS on dmg to such an extent they could take on 5 targets & win )


Wake up Sents/Maras !! Even our best Sent says he is so OP its silly after 1.2

Rave
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Madnutter
04.27.2012 , 08:37 AM | #180
Might not have been clear enough in my last post.
All defensive cd's have a counter action to them in terms of damage.......Shadow pops resilience, use a weapon attack not force/tech.......
Scoundrel pops dodge, use force/tech attacks
The other ones like merc shield, carry on doing whatever as your damage is only reducded, not completely stopped.

Mara pops Guarded/Undying.......what can you do? CC him if you still have one available and he doesnt have full resolve, but then you still have to sit there for 4 seconds more and do nothing.