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I am angry about the economic exploit.

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I am angry about the economic exploit.
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Blackardin
04.27.2012 , 06:39 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by kryator View Post
I reported him, me and several others, we will see what happens next.
You are obviously not Italian.

You pull him off into a corner and make him an offer he can't refuse. You and your friends walk away with a couple million each and he walks away believing his secret is safe.

Then next week you report him. ;p
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Kthx
04.27.2012 , 06:40 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Wayshuba View Post
There is a difference between hacking and taking advantage of exploits introduced by BioWare.
I don't see the difference. Cheating is cheating. The punishment should be proportional to the harm done, not the mechanism through which the cheating occurred.

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PalawaJoko
04.27.2012 , 06:41 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
You are obviously not Italian.

You pull him off into a corner and make him an offer he can't refuse. You and your friends walk away with a couple million each and he walks away believing his secret is safe.

Then next week you report him. ;p
Pretty sure he and the other guildmates got a fair share of all those millions already


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I don't see the difference. Cheating is cheating. The punishment should be proportional to the harm done, not the mechanism through which the cheating occurred.
Exactly. The cheater knew it was an exploit and he abused it intentionally. This scale of exploiting causes big damage on economy and the abuser should be permanently banned.

It's a no-brainer really and if BW isn't going to do anything I can't but facepalm and wonder what the **** they want with this game because obviously it wouldn't be a fair environment.

But we saw how the exploiters got away with the valor before so one should not expect much punishments to be dealt.
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Stealthy_Monkey
04.27.2012 , 06:42 AM | #44
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Greetings everyone,

We know that our community is very concerned about in-game exploits and we take reports of this type of behavior very seriously. In a recent Community News article, we made a statement about our policy on cheating and what we are doing about it:
Thanks Paralli. A quick question, given that it's ok to discuss exploits in general. Has this policy recently been changed or are you simply reiterating the standing policies? The reason I ask is that SWTOR has developed a reputation for extremely lax punishments for identified exploiters among the exploit community. I was wondering if anything has been changed to stop this?

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Diet-Hutt
04.27.2012 , 06:48 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by corbanite View Post
have a read of this http://www.swtor.com/blog/action-bei...its-and-cheats

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With Game Update 1.2, new measures were put in place to improve our detection of exploits, particularly in relation to 'speed hacking' and teleport cheats. With the help of this improved detection, we recently took action against hundreds of game accounts.
Wow, they finally acknowledged the Spped/teleport hacks.

Having personally watched (and reported) players in PVP using these XYZ hacks, I am glad to see they are working towards stopping it permanently.

I mean...cheating in PVP in a game like this is pretty lame to begin with.

Thanks Bioware!!
Good stuff.


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thomasgallant
04.27.2012 , 06:49 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Diet-Hutt View Post
Wow, they finally acknowledged the Spped/teleport hacks.

Having personally watched players in PVP using these XYZ hacks, I am glad to see they are working towards stopping it permanently.

I mean...cheating in PVP in a game like this is pretty lame to begin with.

Thanks Bioware!!
Good stuff.


- DH
cheating at any of these games is lame
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Blackardin
04.27.2012 , 06:50 AM | #47
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Since day 1, and before, the cheaters and exploiters have been allowed to do it over and over... when reported they get a simple slap on the wrist and a stern "DONT DO THAT!" then are allowed back in, keeping what they had amassed and went about the business of finding something new to work on ... it happens in every game.. heck in alot of games you just input codes and away you go.. The differnwece is thats normally single player where the player only cheats themselves.. in MMO's those same players use to effect advantage over others.. but the punishmnets never balance out the crimes, and never will... WHY?? cos BW would simply be cutting its own wrists and bleed its own sub base... they know its prevalent, but to act decisively now would likely mean a sizeable chunck of subs go a walking and they dont want that.. so "PLEASE DONT DO THAT!!" is all ya gunna get.
On a serious note. This bit of misinformation quoted is typical of the hyperbole, conjecture, and our right lies that we so often see on these boards, written, quite often, by people with an axe to grind.

Thankfully, in this case, a representative of the company has responded with accuracy, truth, and the affirmation that they do, indeed, do more then "nothing", and are very interested in preventing exploits and cheats to the point that they have implemented mechanics for that exact purpose.

We are inundated with this on these boards every day. We hear the negative conjecture every day as they attempt to sway the opinions of players and prospective players away from the game as a means of fulfilling some inane vendetta against this game and company.

To me, combating those lies with actual facts is as important to the life of this game, and my fun, as any credit hack could ever be. When you read these boards, take this type of quoted hysterical rantings with a grain of salt, and answer them accordingly.
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Nippon
04.27.2012 , 06:54 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Seront View Post
This crap mostly makes me angry since I actually am wealthy in-game. I worked my *** off making it all via the GTN. Exploits like this that introduce rampant inflation make me want to quit too.
You have a good point and are exactly correct.

The ramifications for people that pull these exploits off are never to the extent of what they should be, I doubt bioware will do a lot about it as it is an issue they have created that has been exploited, not hacked, and there is a difference. You here stories now and again of people getting money accidently payed into there bank accounts in real life, and they go on major spending sprees. Are they sent to prison for theft, no, they didnt steal anything. They became by what law states, a victim of there own intent, and are generally forced to pay it back, with monthly payments enforced to clear any outstanding monies that cannot be recouped.

The issue in a game like SWTOR is they are able to control the GTN, buy what they like and dictate prices if they really wish to. They have the ability to buy all the perks, bells and whistles that the majority have to earn via legitimate methods, and it is, as the title says, an Economic issue. Unless the players that have pulled it off have all there perks and credits removed, and i mean all of them, they should be reset, to bare bones for doing something they know is wrong, and basically suffer the punishment for not abiding to the game rules of reporting a bug or exploit. The repercussions will exist for a long time after unless this happens. Is this a harsh punishment for them, I don't think so. They should be allowed to continue the game. Next time is perma-ban though, and there characters should be left with nothing but the BFH.

The problem with the world today is governments and criminal organisations believe you solve crime by giving out hugs and love, because people didn't have good child hoods and all that ****. Back in the Cowboy and Victorian days, if you stole something they cut off your hand. The beauty of virtual worlds is they don't apply to these cotton wool laws, and can do what they like to a virtual creation. Personally i would leave there accounts open and delete all there characters. End of story. If that happened players would think twice about exploiting game bugs again.
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Blackardin
04.27.2012 , 06:55 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Stealthy_Monkey View Post
Thanks Paralli. A quick question, given that it's ok to discuss exploits in general. Has this policy recently been changed or are you simply reiterating the standing policies? The reason I ask is that SWTOR has developed a reputation for extremely lax punishments for identified exploiters among the exploit community. I was wondering if anything has been changed to stop this?
Once again demonstrating my point about conjecture being promulgated into law.

That reputation is built solely upon a foundation of hyperbole. People read it, they accept it without question.

Next time you read some of that rubbish, answer with factual information.
May the Schwartz be with you....

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Cerion
04.27.2012 , 06:55 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by tloops View Post
and you believe that? if so i have beach front property in arizona id like to sell you. his reply to you was just covering his own butt. if his guild did not like what he was doing they would have kicked him and distanced themselves from him. you know all to well the whole guild benifited from this,and anyone that tells you otherwise is lying.
He has no reason to come on here a lie. He offered up the info freely. Your cynicism is misplaced.
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