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Has this game turned you "off" to MMOs in general?

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Has this game turned you "off" to MMOs in general?

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CosmicKat
04.26.2012 , 01:43 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by flyersfan View Post
I know, right? It's quite ironic that neither of us like each other (on a general sense). I've never totally understood why MMOers feel that console gamers had any real effect on MMO games, but whatever.

My PS3 is much better than my PC and it's actually more recent as well. Console games are also made on a level playing field, which makes the experience equal assuming you have the proper display (an HD one). I don't have to worry about watching SW:TOR videos and wishing that my game didn't look like crap.
Your PS3 is running a graphics processer that is several generations behind the PC market. Same with XBox. They both make good use of what they do have by concentrating all that power on a few things. The size of the image is really all the advantage they have. I have a 7 year old PC (my old one) connected to a 50" 1080p plasma and I compared the same games on PC and XBox and there is no comparison. I know that a PS3 is slightly better than an XBox, technically speaking, but the difference between PC and console is like Blu Ray to DVD.

I'm not bashing consoles or console gamers. I have an XBox and a PC and I've played PS3 as well. The games that work best on one are usually crap on the other. The fault isn't in the games or platforms it's in the game publishers thinking that the PC and console are the same thing.

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Grafikk
04.26.2012 , 01:59 PM | #122
I've played tons of MMOs and back in the day I had a ton of free time to play them. After quitting WoW (over 2 years ago) I got really tired of the idea of an MMO, there was nothing great out and I bounced around to a few f2p MMOs. Then SW got released, I was soooo looking forward to this game for years and had really high hopes for it and defended it passionately. But then all my friends stopped playing because of all said reasons on these boards and the game got a little stale.

For me the biggest flaw in this game is the lack of world pvp and the lack of pvp while lvling. I was severely disappointed by that. Also the load times, good god the load times. Horrible.

I've come to conclusion that I"m just done with paid MMOs. It's the same story in every game, grind to max level, pvp, deal with the imbalance, grind gear, run instances, get bored. It's a vicious cycle.

I find myself having more fun and caring less with F2P mmos.
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Dekkau
04.26.2012 , 02:01 PM | #123
Yes... Back to the console now. I just can't stand another game where I have to be given what appears to be some game changing quest just to kill ten of that or activate four of that etc just to see my XP bar rise or add a small amount of crit to my new shiny shiny. What I find amazing is that each and every game I've played I have gotten to be very advanced and yet even with just an expansion the new content is so kiddy lame poor. You can have just taken down the Lich King but move to the next supposed best thing just to activate a silly electric panel.... What ever. And so the thought of drudging through this or Rift or Warcraft or any of the others any more is just so boring. There is nothing in a current MMO that I haven't done a thousand times in one form of another. I kinda think the MMO concept is spent... especially as they drained the RPG right out of it. Its all bang bang thank you mam now with no effort and insta rewards, and the content is just so easy. I know they are aimed at the kids market but seriously, this form of game has become so mind numbingly infantile. Shame really.

And so I'd rather play FIFA I guess. And check out the mags and see what stuff is coming up with the x^o[].

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Dekkau
04.26.2012 , 02:11 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
Your PS3 is running a graphics processer that is several generations behind the PC market. Same with XBox. They both make good use of what they do have by concentrating all that power on a few things. The size of the image is really all the advantage they have. I have a 7 year old PC (my old one) connected to a 50" 1080p plasma and I compared the same games on PC and XBox and there is no comparison. I know that a PS3 is slightly better than an XBox, technically speaking, but the difference between PC and console is like Blu Ray to DVD.

I'm not bashing consoles or console gamers. I have an XBox and a PC and I've played PS3 as well. The games that work best on one are usually crap on the other. The fault isn't in the games or platforms it's in the game publishers thinking that the PC and console are the same thing.
I have never had a game that didn't work on my PS1, 2 or 3 or my XBOX or Elite... my Dreamcast or my Cube but on a PC.. you gotta be kidding me. Folk do amuse me about generalising about PCs. Not one persons PC set up is the same... and yet the developers kits released for the consoles are structured for the platform. And console games are way more complex and controller sensitive than a PC game... The PC is still based on the concept of GEOS and pointy clicky.... Nothings changes really. Processors and hard drives get bigger and the programs eat up the resources with inefficient bloat. Always has done... Well not quite... but then you would have to have a girlfriend that knew Agnus, Denise and Paula.

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teambff
04.26.2012 , 02:16 PM | #125
it's turned me off to this type of mmo, but not mmo's as a whole.. for the future.

the reasons why i got into mmo's were because of the idea of exploration... explorable, living/organic worlds full of atmosphere... that would constantly evolve and continue, in combination with being able to maintain a character within that game world over the course of a few years.

people can bash warcraft all they want but at least warcraft had creativity and atmosphere.. not the greatest ever but at least it was there... exploring new places, fishing, in the beginning it was pretty cool. not knowing what was in that cave you wandered into, or not knowing what you would fish up, etc.

there's nothing in swtor, it's completely soulless. it's like a paris hilton who, on the outside you might find attractive and interesting for 10minutes but after you spend time with her and get with her then you realize how little there is to her and how little she has to offer.

so, yah.. this game has shaped up to be a very disappointing experience and i hope not to see this type of mmo again... a soul-less mmo, with no atmosphere, no creativity, no exploration.

noone can deny the voice acting was fantastic, and some of the story was good (a small part of it), and i like the legacy idea, but you can't just put everything on that one thing. voice acting. i'd rather have no voice acting and an amazing, atmospheric, living world to go off and explore for hours than voice acting.. any day.

i've been looking for something to replace final fantasy 11 for me.. ever since i quit but i still haven't found it.

i'm looking foward to guild wars beta tomorrow because from everything i read they put a ton of effort in creating a world to explore.

so.. here's hoping it brings mmo's back to what they need to be.

this swtor style of mmo should die off and never be attempted again, never seen such a soulless, lifeless world in all the mmo's ive tried.

ps: why will no other mmo copy ffxi's style of character... 1 character you maintain and do everything with it, you level up all the classes with that 1 character and all crafting ,etc.. the main choice is which race/species but then you continue with that one choice.

that was the absolute, single most genius idea in maintaning a character. like ever. and yet no other mmo copies it? they all have that lame system of creating new characters every time you want to try a new class, etc... so lame, so.. so lame. get with the program and someone copy ffxi.
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Ngamok
04.26.2012 , 02:35 PM | #126
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I can't wait until Secret World and also Titan (good ways down the road).
Secret World combat looked odd to me on the 2012 GDC video they had. TERA was much better.
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CosmicKat
04.26.2012 , 02:38 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Dekkau View Post
I have never had a game that didn't work on my PS1, 2 or 3 or my XBOX or Elite... my Dreamcast or my Cube but on a PC.. you gotta be kidding me. Folk do amuse me about generalising about PCs. Not one persons PC set up is the same... and yet the developers kits released for the consoles are structured for the platform. And console games are way more complex and controller sensitive than a PC game... The PC is still based on the concept of GEOS and pointy clicky.... Nothings changes really. Processors and hard drives get bigger and the programs eat up the resources with inefficient bloat. Always has done... Well not quite... but then you would have to have a girlfriend that knew Agnus, Denise and Paula.
Console games are way more complex than a PC game? Have you played any PC games that aren't also on the console? You can play a first person WW2 shooter on a console. You can play that, or a highly detailed tactical WW2 campaign wargame on a PC that encompasses the entire world and lieterally takes years to play. Apples and oranges.

Yes the compatibility of PC games can be an issue but that's exactly why the PC is, potentially, a far superior platform. The platform is in a constant state of evolution, not stagnating at what was state of the art 10 years ago.

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Tenceriker
04.26.2012 , 02:42 PM | #128
From TERA to Archage to TSW and GW2 there are far too many games by studios that listen to players and know the MMO history to let the multitude of problems with SWTOR ruin the genre. There are even some cool things SWTOR brought to the genre like Vioceover stories that hoepfully will be added in games of the future. Who knows maybe Mass Effect the MMO will take all the SWTOR lessons fix them and then prove to players Bioware isn't just good at messing up and taking EA's ****. One can hope at least...
Relabeling future patches as Expansions, just like EA Louse said a year ago. Who got the last laugh?

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Xeres-
04.26.2012 , 02:44 PM | #129
So to answer the original question:

No.

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lorelthesecond
04.26.2012 , 02:44 PM | #130
No not at all in fact I play this and Rift and enjoy both.