The Pros and Cons of a Marauder

I'll wave next time you're sitting their training me, then blowing all your CDs to train me some more. We play on the same server and your premade that you queue with for obvious reasons, stack melee.

Good post OP.

Weakness #1 is the primary reason I give to QQers who cry about marauders. Want us to stop damaging you? Keep us away. It's not that hard.

Weakness #4 is completely true as well. Some opponent groups have 3 snipers, and I'm just wrecked. I can't walk anywhere without being ganked by one.
In a one on one situation I can manage OK IF I have force camo available to close the distance prefight. It's still no guarantee though, as they have that knockback out of cover. A good sniper will handle a similarly skilled marauder most of the time (assuming both are full health, and the sniper has the early start from cover).
We can't fire off obfuscate until we're effectively in melee range (ok, 10meters, thats barely what I'd call 'ranged').

I honestly find harassing healers (strenght #3) the most fun in PvP. Not killing them, mind you. Just interrupting 3 out of every 4 heal spells they try to get off. I can keep one occupied for minutes but eventually someone on his team figures out what's happening and the fun's over then

Uh, you do know that the only a PT pyro gets is a snare removal off of energy shield on a 2 min CD- and it's not even the most popular one to take, mostly because it's limited in what it does. It doesn't remove stuns.

Their gap closer is on a 45 second CD, and doesn't work against resolve and several movement buffs. Other than that- you have a snare (not unlike marauders), no roots (unlike marauders), no mez (unlike marauders), no escape (unlike marauders), no speed buff in all specs (unlike marauders), no group wide buffs, no trauma debuff- ironic you mention instant cast when PTs have two cast abilities- like marauders- but unlike marauders both can be interrupted by the person you're casting it on.

Add to that marauders do more damage, have far superior defensive CDs, and rather than running high in heat when bursting- only grow stronger- it's pretty clear marauders are far superior.


Superior to a class that is indeed fine where it is- PT is a pretty good, balanced class- there's just too many classes that are very weak- and then marauders which are godlike in power.

Why should they be brought back in line with ranged DPS, again?

Ranged DPS = easy mode.
Sentinel/Marauder = harder mode.

In fact, I've become a much better healer through my marauder 'training'. Because I use about 40% more keybinds on my marauder then I ever did on my sorc healer.

I don't disagree that Marauders are far superior because of their survivability and CDs. I do disagree that someone thinks PT Pyro is not a mobile spec.

You can choose to spec however you want as a Pyro PT. I prefer to spec for sustainability and survivability. Depends what role you are filling in your premade I guess.

I find marauders challenging, but not unbeatable. Luckily there's only 1 or 2 marauders on our server that will constantly hand me my lunch, but really that's only in certain circumstances. Usually i'm worrying about objectives and will just be as annoying as hell to get within range of.

As someone who played all the AC classes at this point, I can tell you I've never felt that I lost to a class that was OP. Sure I may get frustrated when I get hit by a ravage and have none of my cooldowns up, but that's really the luck of the draw when it comes to the game, and kind of my fault for blowing them with marauders out on the loose.

My approach to marauder/sent is knockback/stun/force stealth/kite/run(as a shadow removes -movement effects), if they case rebuke/cloak of pain, just stun/avoid hitting them for 6 seconds. If they cast undying rage/guarded by force, just vanish/stun/run/kite/knockback/snare, etc... they will be dying soon after. And for the love of god, purge your dots, especially if they cast zen.

Really there are so many options for neutralizing DPS melee in this game it's insane. Against a good player, it becomes more of a toss-up, and sure you may die if they manage their cooldowns and interrupts correctly, but isn't that why we pvp? To evolve the chessgame?

Sure they're one of the strongest 1v1 class, but they really have no utility. In premade groups, it's really easy to neutralize them through coordinated cc and snares. It's always fun to knock one into the pit, and run away so they can't leap. Everyone should target the flimsy DPS characters first. In pugs, yeah, they can be a challenge since everyone's out to save their own skin. They're meant to be a good solo class since they don't have guard or dependable heals, so this is expected.

To be clear, I won't cry if they get nerfed, but I don't feel like they need one. To me, all melee deserve some sort of advantage over ranged because a.) you get focused down really fast when you leap in, b.) you lose some of the environmental awareness when the action is all happening 2 feet away from you, c.) melee are way harder to play effectively than most of the ranged classes(operatives/gunslingers being an exception).

Not a complete list obviously, but here's how I view melee and their strengths:
Shadows(stealth, guard, self heals)
Scoundrels(stealth, spam heals, lots of cc)
Guardians(3 leaps, guard, good mitigation)
Marauder(3x defensive cooldowns, self heals, DPS)

And what do you play? Do tell.

I've been playing Marauders/Powertechs since last July. Neither of those were FOTM in beta. Sorc was. And now that it sucks, there is 10x the amount of crying on the forums. I WONDER WHY??????

Nah they all rolled Marauders

Nobody is blaming you for playing a Marauder or a PT. But, to disagree that they need to be tweaked slighty is just...

Crazy talk. Look at it from an open perspective and tell us honestly. Should there not be some tweaking??

Don't confuse control with mobility and act all uppity about it like you know what you're talking about. Advanced Prototype is a mobility spec, not Pyrotech.

Just my thoughts.