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Has this game turned you "off" to MMOs in general?

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Has this game turned you "off" to MMOs in general?

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Jarazar
04.26.2012 , 10:21 AM | #71
Nope. I started gaming with mmo's (SWG) and I'll be an mmo gamer for the rest of my life I would imagine. I hate console games and any other non mmo.

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hairlessOrphan
04.26.2012 , 10:22 AM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by DieAlteHexe View Post
I'm an avid reader. I think I support Amazon's Kindle section on my own sometimes. I read every single night and have for about 45 years. I love reading, hell I read cereal boxes. And I love the VO because it adds a bit of life. And, y'know...I found that not all quests are the same. There can be some interesting variances depending upon class, alignment and the like. I wasn't really expecting that but have found it occurs pretty often.

So, assert away but I really, really, really wish that people would learn to just say: I think this or it's my opinion that instead of trying to appear to have more support by being overly-inclusive. Stand up for your own opinions and if others share them, they will join in, especially around here.
I think it's a shortcut because it's my opinion that people should be able to tell the difference between subjective and objective assertions. I think but I might be giving too much credit to people. In my opinion, clearly, people dig the VO's. I think even people who actually love to read. In my opinion I don't dispute that at all. I think but when people are flat-out saying they think being read aloud to is decisively better than reading, here - and notice I do not make any statements about why they feel that way! - I have to laugh. In my opinion, I have to.

Whew. Ok, buddy, I tried it your way, and it sucked. *In my opinion*

Now try it my way: let's all be a little less insecure, you guys.

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Cerion
04.26.2012 , 10:22 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by hairlessOrphan View Post
No, no, it's not an objective fact at all. I didn't claim that. My only claim was that it is funny to me that people feel being read aloud to is so much better than reading. I assert that with absolute conviction.

Look, mang(s): I'm not saying you're *wrong*. It is clearly true that it matters to you. I'm just saying: let's all look at what's really going on here and have a laugh at ourselves and the human condition.
But that's NOT what's really going on here. You clearly don't know the difference between voice acting and reading aloud. If you think you could just waltz into an animation studio and 'read aloud' your part for the next Star Wars animated series, you're being terribly naive. Voice actors make good money because they do MORE than just read aloud.
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Elhanan
04.26.2012 , 10:22 AM | #74
MMO's have turned me off of MMO's in general; playing SWTOR for the storylines and daily activities.
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Galbatorrix
04.26.2012 , 10:27 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by hairlessOrphan View Post
Ok, cling to your hopes of a world where most players are listening to the VO's. Maybe it's an RP server thing, I honestly don't know.

Despite the similarities between the underlying combat systems for graphical MMO's vs. MUDs, there are several important differences: range, for example. Positionals. Line of sight. And these are only the differences that are strictly within the one larger point I mentioned (spacial representation).

There are, of course, others. But at this point I think you're arguing to argue because you can't admit that VO's just aren't that important, so we don't have to go over them. But prove me wrong: all you have to say is you honestly, truly, in your heart-of-hearts, don't believe that LOS matters *more than VO's. Make that claim with a straight face.

*Edit: took a shortcut, there, and said something I didn't mean to. Fixed.
Companies would not be spending money on VOs in their games if people didn't want them. Sure, there are no tactical advantages in voice overs, as there is with combat, but that doesn't mean that VOs aren't important to people. Game companies aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that people don't care for or things that "just aren't that important". They do it because they know they have to in order to make their game successful and competitive with others on the market. So, now you claim with a straight face that VOs just don't matter that much. Or better yet, call up the bajillion gaming developers out there and make that claim to them. See how long it takes them to laugh in your face.

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DieAlteHexe
04.26.2012 , 10:32 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by hairlessOrphan View Post
I think it's a shortcut because it's my opinion that people should be able to tell the difference between subjective and objective assertions. I think but I might be giving too much credit to people. In my opinion, clearly, people dig the VO's. I think even people who actually love to read. In my opinion I don't dispute that at all. I think but when people are flat-out saying they think being read aloud to is decisively better than reading, here - and notice I do not make any statements about why they feel that way! - I have to laugh. In my opinion, I have to.

Whew. Ok, buddy, I tried it your way, and it sucked. *In my opinion*

Now try it my way: let's all be a little less insecure, you guys.
Or, you could look at it as being nice. Nothing wrong with that despite what 'Net behaviour would indicate.

I guess I don't see what's so funny about it. Different people have different preferences. My goofy husband actually likes pickled fish washed down with chocolate milk. This makes my stomach want to hide somewhere faaaar away but hey, it's what he likes so no skin off my nose.
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Galbatorrix
04.26.2012 , 10:33 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerion View Post
But that's NOT what's really going on here. You clearly don't know the difference between voice acting and reading aloud. If you think you could just waltz into an animation studio and 'read aloud' your part for the next Star Wars animated series, you're being terribly naive. Voice actors make good money because they do MORE than just read aloud.

Exactly. I'd MUCH rather read a book than listen to an audio book. That is being read aloud to. Voice acting, on the other hand is like watching a modern movie as opposed to a silent one. Are the people in the modern move just "reading aloud"?

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hairlessOrphan
04.26.2012 , 10:34 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerion View Post
But that's NOT what's really going on here. You clearly don't know the difference between voice acting and reading aloud. If you think you could just waltz into an animation studio and 'read aloud' your part for the next Star Wars animated series, you're being terribly naive. Voice actors make good money because they do MORE than just read aloud.
I do actually know the difference. It's why I played Fem Shep - and it's too bad I can't roll female toons in MMO's, because Jennifer Hale <3. But, come on, man: how many quest givers are really conveying more than just the quest text, right now? I am not really feeling the emotion or character nuance emanating from this fool telling me to collect ten widgets.

And then there are the flat-out terrible VO's: anyone remember the two padawan lovers in the newbie planet for Jedi Knights / Consulars? Wow, that was a performance worthy of fan fiction.

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DieAlteHexe
04.26.2012 , 10:34 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Cerion View Post
But that's NOT what's really going on here. You clearly don't know the difference between voice acting and reading aloud. If you think you could just waltz into an animation studio and 'read aloud' your part for the next Star Wars animated series, you're being terribly naive. Voice actors make good money because they do MORE than just read aloud.
That's a good point that I hadn't even thought of. To convey what the script directs without the visual cues is definitely a talent.
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hairlessOrphan
04.26.2012 , 10:37 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Companies would not be spending money on VOs in their games if people didn't want them. Sure, there are no tactical advantages in voice overs, as there is with combat, but that doesn't mean that VOs aren't important to people. Game companies aren't going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on something that people don't care for or things that "just aren't that important". They do it because they know they have to in order to make their game successful and competitive with others on the market. So, now you claim with a straight face that VOs just don't matter that much. Or better yet, call up the bajillion gaming developers out there and make that claim to them. See how long it takes them to laugh in your face.
You're misunderstanding me. I totally believe that VO's Matter to you people. That is true. It doesn't make it less funny to me. You know how radio stations will sandwich new singles between established hits and replay the same three-song rotation over and over? They do it because it *works*, it makes people like the new single because they associate it with the familiarity of the established hits.

Still funny.