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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

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Jett-Rinn
04.26.2012 , 07:59 AM | #861
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayln View Post
And who is it exactly that is asking you to tell others to evacuate

Why is it that if you decide to leave ( which you keep saying, but you don’t actually do, you just keep posting on the boards of a game you seem to hate ) why do you need to have others leave as well?

We are having fun, and will enjoy staying thank you very much

Sorry to break it to you, but you aren’t any kind of leader with lemmings following you out the door

You want to go out the door? Fine... go

Do us a favor, leave these forums for those that are still playing and enjoying this game.
Yeah I will say this; BioWare needs to shut off forum access the moment people cancel because all they are going to do is troll and disrupt the forums.
No one hates Star Wars as much as "Star Wars fans"

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Leggomy
04.26.2012 , 08:00 AM | #862
Quote: Originally Posted by Jett-Rinn View Post
Well I am enjoying SWTOR much more than I am LOTRO at the moment and if they keep going down the path of pay to win gear I will stop logging in all together.
I hear ya man. I was waiting for so long on SWTOR. Ive been unhappy with LOTRO since the f2p switch.

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Dayln
04.26.2012 , 08:00 AM | #863
Quote: Originally Posted by Jett-Rinn View Post
Well I am enjoying SWTOR much more than I am LOTRO at the moment and if they keep going down the path of pay to win gear I will stop logging in all together.
I enjoyed LOTRO for over 3 and a half years, a record for me with an MMO.

They did a very nice job, certainly better than any other MMO on the market as no other could hold my attention that long. I didn’t feel the need to bash it on my way out, they did a great job and I loved my years playing that MMO.

SWTOR... well we will see, right now I am enjoying this game very much, we will see if it can break LOTRO's record for holding my attention.
I have a bad feeling about this

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Samvan
04.26.2012 , 08:02 AM | #864
Quote: Originally Posted by Dayln View Post
Why is it that if you decide to leave ( which you keep saying, but you don’t actually do, you just keep posting on the boards of a game you seem to hate ) why do you need to have others leave as well?
My pesonal opinion that I want to spread. I can have my voice heard that I'm dissatisfied

Quote: Originally Posted by Dayln View Post
We are having fun, and will enjoy staying thank you very much
Good to hear it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dayln View Post
Sorry to break it to you, but you aren’t any kind of leader with lemmings following you out the door

You want to go out the door? Fine... go
Then what are you, if you're ordering people to leave when I still got a free month attached to my account ? I have my rights to stay here and speaking my mind without breaking any rules.

Quote: Originally Posted by Dayln View Post
Do us a favor, leave these forums for those that are still playing and enjoying this game.
Again, what authority gives you this to order another customer what to do? As I explained above, since I still got play time filled in my account, I have the exact same rights as you do.

So unless I'm breaking a rule, showing no respect towards others (which I am ), I can still be here making my voice heard.

I think we're focusing too much on me "TROLLING" than why the customers are dissatisfied, please don't focus on the wrong things.

Thank you dear Dayln.

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JeramieCrowe
04.26.2012 , 08:04 AM | #865
Quote: Originally Posted by Erishumlol View Post
So 2 - 2.5 million unique customers is not successful? TOR's customer base 2 months in was stated at 1.7 million and as of now we have no numbers but we all know subs have dropped unless you're living in lala land. Anyways we will see the real success of this game in a years time if it hasn't sunk by then.
BioWare said TWICE last week that subs have NOT declined.
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JeramieCrowe
04.26.2012 , 08:06 AM | #866
Quote: Originally Posted by Erishumlol View Post
You want to compare raw numbers only and state TOR is as successful as GW? I don't care how long TOR has been out there's no way in hell they will sell 6 million copies, EVER.

GW = 6 million

TOR = 2 million

/End discussion
Well, as soon as TOR puts out two expansions like GW is including in that 6 mil, we'll see, won't we?
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Blackardin
04.26.2012 , 08:06 AM | #867
Quote: Originally Posted by Samvan View Post
Make my voice heard that the game is sinking and the company is destroying itself.

It's my personal view and nothing inappropriate about it. Unless I verbally and personally insult them, which I am not.

Sorry to break it to you but there's nothing you can do to shoo away the dissatisfied customers
But you are doing nothing of the sort. You are simply lashing out like a child, screaming that the game has hit an iceberg and is sinking. You are doing that as complete conjecture, not even a statement of contention because there is no definable evidence to support your outrageous ranting.

You have offered no logical argument, made no constructive criticism, produced no evidence to support your claim that there is anything wrong beyond your own personal feelings and anger that you seem to feel the need to share with us. You have further declared that you will continue to spam the boards with what amounts to little more then the image of a child sitting in the middle of the isle of a department store, screaming, because they can't have that particular shiny.

You have further declared that there is intent to "shoo away" a dissatisfied customer when, again, there is no evidence to support that. What we have here is your mistaken interpretation of what we see, which is not a dissatisfied customer, but an angry troll spamming hatred for a video game and threatening to continue disrupting threads with that hatred.

Yes, I'd like that to leave. ;p
May the Schwartz be with you....

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Jett-Rinn
04.26.2012 , 08:07 AM | #868
Quote: Originally Posted by JeramieCrowe View Post
BioWare said TWICE last week that subs have NOT declined.
Three times actually and since they are moving into the Middle east and eastern Europe today expect a sub spike, they will move into the rest of eastern Europe by the end of summer so I wouldn't expect a sub decrease any time soon.

They have learned a lot from Blizzard it seems.
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Marrond
04.26.2012 , 08:08 AM | #869
Quote: Originally Posted by Jett-Rinn View Post
It's actually already starting, on the GW2 beta forum the largest thread is "I can see why this is a F2P game" and it is full of QQ about:
  • Gear doesn't matter
  • where's my end game?
  • If everyone is special then no one is
  • Rants about the facebook like mini games
etc etc etc
Plus all the QQ about broken promises of innovation.
Well if you looked closer in all this QQ you would figure out one basic thing. The most complain is "why it isn't WoW". The game offers completely diffrent game design and mechanics, just like GW1 did back then - and yet GW2 is completely diffrent from GW1.

Now you might say - "yet you are complaing why SWTOR isn't WoW too". I don't want it to be WoW - I personally don't like nor play WoW. Yet both games in terms of game mechanics are mostly the SAME, yet SWTOR is missing a lot content which in my and many others opinion would make game better. SWTOR is ok as long as you're planning play it only in a short run. After that stairs appears.

You guys say game is ok, I say it SHOULD be better. You say WoW had back then same problems - I say we have 2012 and situation of WoW back then is nowhere near to situation of SWTOR now. You say BW stated there's 1,7m subs - I say what I see in game. You say SWTOR won't die - this is one thing I can agree with you, because even if game would be far worse than it is, hardcore SW/BW/EA fans would keep it alive anyway and I am sadly one of them (SW fan[atic]). All I don't understand is this global "yesman" attitude in common.

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Samvan
04.26.2012 , 08:11 AM | #870
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
But you are doing nothing of the sort. You are simply lashing out like a child, screaming that the game has hit an iceberg and is sinking. You are doing that as complete conjecture, not even a statement of contention because there is no definable evidence to support your outrageous ranting
If you've experienced it as a "child screaming" then I apologize if you got the intention, however the game HAS hit an iceberg since that article with the Game Director James Ohlen and is in my eyes sinking.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
You have offered no logical argument, made no constructive criticism, produced no evidence to support your claim that there is anything wrong beyond your own personal feelings and anger that you seem to feel the need to share with us. You have further declared that you will continue to spam the boards with what amounts to little more then the image of a child sitting in the middle of the isle of a department store, screaming, because they can't have that particular shiny.
But you haven't even asked why I'm dissatisfied. You're instead arguing that I have no rights to be here and I have no rights to make my voice heard since I'm "attacking" the game, which I am definitely not.....just criticising it. As far as I know, criticising a game without any personal insults are allowed.

I'm not IGN. You can't buy me out with a free month that I change my opinion from worst to good.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
You have further declared that there is intent to "shoo away" a dissatisfied customer when, again, there is no evidence to support that. What we have here is your mistaken interpretation of what we see, which is not a dissatisfied customer, but an angry troll spamming hatred for a video game and threatening to continue disrupting threads with that hatred.
Again, you're the ones arguing with me and telling me to leave like I stated above. You haven't asked me why my opinion for this game is so strong and why I still would "waste my time posting on the forums even though I have no intentions of continuing playing".

Hm, what do you call it.......ah yes!

"You are feeding the troll".

Please don't. Instead try to have a decent and civilized conversation. I assume you know how to have one.