Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

The evidence is there, you know very well that we are not allowed to post links to the wow forum where people express their "anger" regarding the LFG tool. So if you want to see it, you should go there.
That is not evidence, that is still anecdotal and would never pass in court. All you're doing there is linking to more whiners and complainers. Hardly proof.


We also have not yet seen any compromise of you, all you keep saying is "dont use it" which is not a compromise at all.

So the whole part where I kept saying add in as many options as possible for players to customise how they use the tool went totally past you? Or was your only compromise for us to not have the tool at all?

A Compromise would be to leave out RP servers from automated tools, to tweak the LFG of wow to a manual tool which gives the power to those that group and not a random roll. Another would be to have somekind of tribunal like LOL has, so that bad behaivour can be punished and last but not least a filter system that allows players to select a specific "playstyle" when they queue up so that elitist´s can play with their own, just like casuals or people with a family could etc.
Your solution is to further segregate the community and servers by splitting people up and building walls around them. And yet again it's coming back to a control issue. You hate not being in control of everything. I find it strange that you keep referring to elitists as other people, yet are the one complaining about how everyone else is a theif and an idiot.

You need to understand that your "professionell way" of playing this game is just 1 possible way. There are people that dont want to rush, that dont want to skip, that dont want you to roll for everything, that might need to go afk for a min ... if they end up in a group with your kind, they cant enjoy the run and you cant either as you demand things they cant deliver and rage.
Those people need to be protected and thats why a tool like at wow is bad in design, as there they get actually punished and the elitist have advantages.
This is a compromise, to say "dont use" is not.
Once again, you're jumping to assumptions and accusing others of things without knowing anything about them. You say "Your kind" and then claim you're not an elitist. We have also stated numerous times it does not have to be identical to the WoW model, a lot can be changed about it. You seem to keep ignoring us on this.


The thing you still did not understand is also the issue of xlfg or lfg. It does not matter if its xlfg or lfg - what matters is that you have no influence on the group that you get if its like at wow.
The only difference of xlfg and lfg is, that at a server only tool you usually have a community that you know. I like to explain this by the marking issues I always had at wow.
Yet again your complaint is down to an issue of control. You hate the idea that you're not in charge. You want to pick the group yourself and therefore a Group Finder is unacceptable to you, and nobody should be allowed to use it. Yet you say we are not willing to compromise.


On my server we used skull for the first kill, moon for sheep, triangle for sleep or root etc. Playing at the LFG with people from other servers was hard - as a tank I always marked stuff and they didnt understand it. I saw skull sheeped, moon feared and all this.... but also the looting was totally different to my server and people especially on 3 others servers were very hardcore and rude, something my server was not and I was tired of permanently "gogogogog" commands.
Nevertheless is the biggest problem the automated selection, every server has a few rude people - some servers have more and some less. By having a manual selection you can skip those and because of this such a "feature" is mandatory in every LFG.
Repeating yourself quite a lot. Once again, branding others without knowing them, having an issue about not being in charge and more anecdotal evidence that you had a bad time once.


If the mistakes of wow´s tool are fixed, I would love to see a tool for raids, wz´s and dungeons - but if the mistakes are copied over, then I rather quit than playing further.

Edit:

As a sidenote, the wow tool has so many "carrots on a stick" that force you to use their tool - that it is pretty obvious that they do know the tool is not working that good. Why else punish people with 30 mins deserter if they leave, this could only be because many people didnt like the groups they got in

Your solution is to further segregate the community and servers by splitting people up and building walls around them. And yet again it's coming back to a control issue. You hate not being in control of everything. I find it strange that you keep referring to elitists as other people, yet are the one complaining about how everyone else is a theif and an idiot.

I don't think asking for the ability to "pre-screen" the pool of players to either exclude ones we know we won't have fun with or to limit it to those who share our gaming habits is fairly characterized the way you do in the quote above.

Which the /ignore function and added options into the tool would be beneficial.

The entire reason servers are defined broadly by types such as RP-PVE, RP-PVP, PVE, and PVP is to cater to different players preferred playstyles. Otherwise why bother having these different server types? It seems perfectly reasonable to me ask to group only with people who share a very basic level of similar interests.

Of course we all know that different people even on the same server will have different motivations for doing groups and flashpoints. Some are interested in experiencing the story and watching all of the dialogue scenes while others want to spacebar through everything. Sometimes I want to enjoy the story, sometimes I just want to get it done. Neither approach is inherently better than the other, so what is wrong with a "quality of life" feature that prevents the "story" people from being put with the "spacebar" people?

Again added options into the tool, tick boxes if you want to queue up for a Story Run, with people from your own server or cross etc. More options to how you group the better.

However what she wants is specific servers for those who don't want to use a group finder at all, but instead hand pick their own groups with who they think is good enough and be in charge of the loot to give it to who deserves it most.
And then accused others of being elitist?!

Your argument is contrived, vain, misinformed and completely judgemental. You accuse us of your own crimes, say we will not compromise yet it is you who outright refuses the idea of any Group Finder to be created. You have problems with not hand picking your own group to be in charge of and then accuse us of being elitist.

But as I have said, Group Finder IS coming into the game with Patch 1.3 so really, your argument is in vain. You can learn to play with others or you can ask Bioware to make a special Hermit Server for those who do not play well with others.

So like I said, they need to add in as many options as they can to fully customise how a person queues up.
Options like Single Server or Cross Server
Story Mode or Quick Run
1st Role Choice (Healer/Tank/DPS) 2nd Role Choice for those who are dual-specced and geared for it.
And so on like that.

Giving as much choice as possible to the player. How is that me refusing to compromise?

If every server had a healthy population across all level ranges would a cross-server LFG tool be necessary?