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Need a way to change advanced classes

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vulpusrex
04.25.2012 , 04:20 AM | #131
Matter of fact, i leveled my vanguard thinking of it as a pvp only character, while vanguards can pvp well im just aweful with it in pvp, was my first thought well ****, i wish bioware would let me switch back to commando, nope it was ok, time to make a new chara, and 2 hours later on the fleet waiting on a warzone on my new commando, its really not rocket science, and while i understand that some classes sound better than they actually play and thats why some people may want to switch, there are also those type of people that once their class gets nerfed or changed they jump ship to the new OP class.
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
So they'd complain about the cost of it, but not the actual ability to do so?
Oh they would complain about the ability to do so as well, people would complain because it removes more people from the starter planets and flashpoints since you can just swap, people would complain that they didnt feel unique as their class as it didnt feel as important of a decision to make since you can change willy nilly. If you've spent any amount of time on these forums you have seen the lengths people go to complain about anything and everything. I think bioware should just put their foot down and say no and meen it for once, I have a new puppy at home that wants to chew on my boots but i tell him no despite him starting to whine and grumble at me, if i just cave and let him do it since he complained enough how does that reflect on me, and once you open that gateway for people to see hey if we ***** enough eventually they will cave and give what we want then everyone feels entitled to everything.
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DigitalPrime
04.25.2012 , 04:27 AM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Let's talk completely hypothetical here. I know for some of you it may be difficult, but let's just try it for fun?

What if from the moment the game launched, BW allowed you to change your Advanced Class any time you wanted, for a large cost of credits, much like re-speccing, and the cost doubled everytime you changed it.

Would people be coming here to complain about how gamebreaking it was, and how much they were against the feature that was already in the game from the beginning?

Just out of interest?
Hypothetical lol.

But we all know about MMO classes, we know how trinity based MMOs are set up. so why would anyone accept that switching classes is a good thing. If BW would of stated, "yes you can change your class anytime you want from the get go" They would of had a **** storm to deal with. It wouldnt of been accepted. So your hypothetical assumtions is...well.... bull.

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chaosdefined
04.25.2012 , 04:37 AM | #133
Well nobody can really say for certain, that's why it's all hypothetical.

But I just think it's more likely people will moan and complain when someone asks for something to be allowed, than if it was already allowed from the beginning.

If Bioware gave us the game with AC change and said "This is our game, this is the way it is." people would say ok cool. Then if someone said "I'd rather they didn't allow AC Change and we had to level up two characters." people would moan and complain, stating they don't have the time for that, why repeat yourself and that "This is how Bioware made the game.".

Honestly it really does feel that people are only against it because it wasn't there to begin with, nothing more. They base their opinion on what Bioware says, and if it was the other way around those same people would argue against No AC Change.

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ACLucius
04.25.2012 , 04:49 AM | #134
Quote: Originally Posted by DonMarko View Post
Dear Bioware, If you want to keep players here and playing this game you need to add a a way, a tool, a device, that will allow players a chance at changing their advanced class. I know most the people who come to these boards and post will have 100 bad things to say about it, but they should not have any voice in my game EXP, only I should. Just as I should have no say in theirs.

Please add this and save me from deleting a toon I already that I already have so much done on.
Okay. I want to be able to one shot anyone with my lightsaber on my Sage. I deserve this because I should be the only one with say in my game experience, no one else should.

Do you see the flaw in your logic?

No, all you have done is given reason why this shouldn't be made available because you have failed to provide logical reasons why it should. If you want to have total control over your game experience, go make a game. Otherwise, you play by the rules of others in their worlds. As such, you are playing by BW's rules, which are already based in logic.
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thomasgallant
04.25.2012 , 04:51 AM | #135
Quote: Originally Posted by DonMarko View Post
Dear Bioware, If you want to keep players here and playing this game you need to add a a way, a tool, a device, that will allow players a chance at changing their advanced class. I know most the people who come to these boards and post will have 100 bad things to say about it, but they should not have any voice in my game EXP, only I should. Just as I should have no say in theirs.

Please add this and save me from deleting a toon I already that I already have so much done on.
changing your advanced class in swtor is like changing from a fighter to a cleric in dnd or anything like that.. completely different roles and really doesnt make sense
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Catch_TwentyTwo
04.25.2012 , 04:52 AM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by dcwsfu View Post
It is normal for an MMO to not let you change your class.
Agreed. SWG did this and it just turned into one great big FOTM routine...

If you make a choice, then stick with it. I mean, it's not like it takes a lot of effort to get a toon to 50.
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RDeanOU
04.25.2012 , 04:53 AM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by ACLucius View Post
Okay. I want to be able to one shot anyone with my lightsaber on my Sage. I deserve this because I should be the only one with say in my game experience, no one else should.

Do you see the flaw in your logic?

No, all you have done is given reason why this shouldn't be made available because you have failed to provide logical reasons why it should. If you want to have total control over your game experience, go make a game. Otherwise, you play by the rules of others in their worlds. As such, you are playing by BW's rules, which are already based in logic.
This.

The advanced classes are so different that they really are totally separate classes and changing between them makes about as much sense as asking Bioware to allow you to change your Commando into a Gunslinger.

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vulpusrex
04.25.2012 , 04:53 AM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Well nobody can really say for certain, that's why it's all hypothetical.

But I just think it's more likely people will moan and complain when someone asks for something to be allowed, than if it was already allowed from the beginning.

If Bioware gave us the game with AC change and said "This is our game, this is the way it is." people would say ok cool. Then if someone said "I'd rather they didn't allow AC Change and we had to level up two characters." people would moan and complain, stating they don't have the time for that, why repeat yourself and that "This is how Bioware made the game.".

Honestly it really does feel that people are only against it because it wasn't there to begin with, nothing more. They base their opinion on what Bioware says, and if it was the other way around those same people would argue against No AC Change.
I personally dont think at least from my own view on the subject thats people are against it just because it wasnt there, this is a very story driven game, alot of people are very connected to their chara and their choice to be what ever advanced class they picked, and while we can nit pick the differences betweem classes, for some people going from a healing sage to a dps shadow (or whatever the class is, im not familiar with it) is a big thing and it tarnishes their personal story or attachment, actually now that i think of it, if they did implament a sort of storyline with a series of quests that allowed you to change your advanced class just once but would make sence lore wise why you did it and gave it some weight, now i think that would be awesome. But you are right, some people hate just to hate,
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bosefuss
04.25.2012 , 04:58 AM | #139
Quote: Originally Posted by Cmdluke View Post
dear blizzard,

i leveled up my mage to 85 and am now tired of playing a mage. i want to play a warrior but dont want to spend weeks redoing the same content. please let me change my mage to a warrior so i can play the game the way I want to, not the way you designed it to be played.

thanks
LOL - Exactly what this thread says.

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thomasgallant
04.25.2012 , 04:58 AM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by vulpusrex View Post
I personally dont think at least from my own view on the subject thats people are against it just because it wasnt there, this is a very story driven game, alot of people are very connected to their chara and their choice to be what ever advanced class they picked, and while we can nit pick the differences betweem classes, for some people going from a healing sage to a dps shadow (or whatever the class is, im not familiar with it) is a big thing and it tarnishes their personal story or attachment, actually now that i think of it, if they did implament a sort of storyline with a series of quests that allowed you to change your advanced class just once but would make sence lore wise why you did it and gave it some weight, now i think that would be awesome. But you are right, some people hate just to hate,
though a story line to change your advanced class would be awesome and something i would support. there has to be caution used there.. I could see some people using it as a leaping point to try and get bioware to allow them to change their base profession.. ie .. smuggler to a trooper..
not saying bioware should or would let this happen... but people are silly and ask for far to much imo:P
but a story arc would be intresting. though the question would remain what level would you make it...to low and its a free advanced class change for people ( high levels easily blow through the quest to change it) to low and people might not have played enough of their character to get a feel on what AC they want..
but to high and it becomes kinda pointless to have.. like level 2 speeder at level 40:P
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