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Need a way to change advanced classes

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Need a way to change advanced classes

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chaosdefined
04.25.2012 , 03:00 AM | #121
Wow people are still nerd raging over someone wanting more options for their gameplay that doesn't affect them?

I wonder if people threw this much of a tantrum when they brought in Dual-Spec for WoW...

Also!

Just to note, everyone who keeps saying "No other MMO lets you change your class or Advanced Class!"

Everquest II does.

Just saying.

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AzKnc
04.25.2012 , 03:16 AM | #122
They'll eventually add the feature in the future, via legacy or whatever. Not allowing people to change was just a choice dictated by profit, people leveling alts to use different acs = more gametime being used in an useless way = more money.

Give it a few months and whoever wanted to level 100 alts will have leveled by then already, at that point, convenience will take a more important role in keeping subs, and ac switching will be allowed.

All this assuming that bw actually plans things and knows what they're doing, but now that i think of it, i'm not too sure they do.
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SaintAvalon
04.25.2012 , 03:18 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by DonMarko View Post
Dear Bioware, If you want to keep players here and playing this game you need to add a a way, a tool, a device, that will allow players a chance at changing their advanced class. I know most the people who come to these boards and post will have 100 bad things to say about it, but they should not have any voice in my game EXP, only I should. Just as I should have no say in theirs.

Please add this and save me from deleting a toon I already that I already have so much done on.
Advanced class is just ANOTHER class option.

You can either A) Roll that class choice or B) qq more until you are blue in the face.

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vulpusrex
04.25.2012 , 03:33 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by NasherUK View Post
I don't remember any MMO with a class based system allowing you to switch classes, theres good reasons why you can't. So no they shouldn't ever allow it.



Actually there was a mmo that let your change classes at you whim, Final Fantasy XI, i could go from samurai to
white mage at the drop of the hat, was it great? hell yea, did it cause issues? oh yea, everyone switching to FOM classes and having all the gear you need for each class makes storage a pain in the ***. I for one think if you want a new ac go make a new chara, stop being a lazy sod and spend the 2 hours to level it, it would take that long just to get a customer service ticket to change your class if they had it anyways.
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amnie
04.25.2012 , 03:50 AM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by vulpusrex View Post
Actually there was a mmo that let your change classes at you whim, Final Fantasy XI, i could go from samurai to
white mage at the drop of the hat, was it great? hell yea, did it cause issues? oh yea, everyone switching to FOM classes and having all the gear you need for each class makes storage a pain in the ***. I for one think if you want a new ac go make a new chara, stop being a lazy sod and spend the 2 hours to level it, it would take that long just to get a customer service ticket to change your class if they had it anyways.
please stay true to the facts. FFXI did not let you change your class at a whim. it let you change to the class THAT YOU ALREADY LEARNED. you still had to bust your butt to actually learn to play that class. and you didn't 'change' it either, you simply switched it. change in the OPs case means 'exchange'.

not forgetting to mention that this is just what both Final Fantasy online games do: you only have one char. every extra char costs extra.



don't get me wrong, I loved the FFXI system (mind you I'm speaking of FFXI circa 2008, I don't know how the do it these days exactly) but leaving out 'tiny details' bugs me. not forgetting to mention that I think the system TOR is using is good the way it is. I can see people getting dual-spec (bascially within their advanced class) but everything else makes me want to rage, shoot kittens, and so on. your advanced class .is. your class. you don't .change. your class

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chaosdefined
04.25.2012 , 03:57 AM | #126
Let's talk completely hypothetical here. I know for some of you it may be difficult, but let's just try it for fun?

What if from the moment the game launched, BW allowed you to change your Advanced Class any time you wanted, for a large cost of credits, much like re-speccing, and the cost doubled everytime you changed it.

Would people be coming here to complain about how gamebreaking it was, and how much they were against the feature that was already in the game from the beginning?

Just out of interest?

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vulpusrex
04.25.2012 , 04:08 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by amnie View Post
please stay true to the facts. FFXI did not let you change your class at a whim. it let you change to the class THAT YOU ALREADY LEARNED. you still had to bust your butt to actually learn to play that class. and you didn't 'change' it either, you simply switched it. change in the OPs case means 'exchange'.
Sure i didnt mention the often long and involved quests to unlock classes like samurai or blue mage, but you did get access to the "basic" classes right off the bat, and lets face it when was the last time that a mmo really required you to learn to play your class well, FFXI was not for the weak, it didnt even have a tutorial at the time it just plopped you into your main city and said have fun.(my town was good ole "sandy oreo") but we are getting way off track on the original point, while i understand your view of switched vs exchanged i personally dont see the difference, he is bassiclly asking to keep everything hes done and earned but be turned into the opposite class, i dont see how thats any different than me going hmm im sick of trying to level my summoner in the dunes, im gonna hit the mog house and give black mage a go.
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Jestunhi
04.25.2012 , 04:11 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Morbidheresy View Post
or you could, you know, do some research. so sick of people who feel they are entitled to whatever they want whenever they want without having to think or plan.
This.

There's no more reason to add this than there is the ability to change main class, race, etc.

How about you make a decision and accept the consequences? You chose your AC.

As A Powertech I got nothing but nerfs in 1.2 (railshot procs limited to 6 sec = major loss in both DPS and heat management) but I don't see the need to demand I become a merc.
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vulpusrex
04.25.2012 , 04:16 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Let's talk completely hypothetical here. I know for some of you it may be difficult, but let's just try it for fun?

What if from the moment the game launched, BW allowed you to change your Advanced Class any time you wanted, for a large cost of credits, much like re-speccing, and the cost doubled everytime you changed it.

Would people be coming here to complain about how gamebreaking it was, and how much they were against the feature that was already in the game from the beginning?

Just out of interest?
You know full well people would complain, it would go something like this "geez bioware you need to learn how to make a mmo, im sick of having to spend more and more credits to switch classes, it should be free, i like to pvp as my commando but i only run vanguard in pve with my friends, why dont they just have a free respec button that switches it for you like the dual spec system in wow" I personally think being able to switch advanced classes underminds what bioware is trying to do with the legacy sytem, if they were to add this feature and went from 50 vanguard to 50 commando they would have to do alot of adjustments on legacy points since you now have half the chara choices to level, because lets face it if you have one vanguard who can swap to commando you likely wont make another commando. While it might sound like a good idea in the short term to help low pop servers fill important roles for flashpoints/ops, i think a cross server lfg would do just as well.
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chaosdefined
04.25.2012 , 04:19 AM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by vulpusrex View Post
You know full well people would complain, it would go something like this "geez bioware you need to learn how to make a mmo, im sick of having to spend more and more credits to switch classes, it should be free, i like to pvp as my commando but i only run vanguard in pve with my friends, why dont they just have a free respec button that switches it for you like the dual spec system in wow" I personally think being able to switch advanced classes underminds what bioware is trying to do with the legacy sytem, if they were to add this feature and went from 50 vanguard to 50 commando they would have to do alot of adjustments on legacy points since you now have half the chara choices to level, because lets face it if you have one vanguard who can swap to commando you likely wont make another commando. While it might sound like a good idea in the short term to help low pop servers fill important roles for flashpoints/ops, i think a cross server lfg would do just as well.
So they'd complain about the cost of it, but not the actual ability to do so?