Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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DarthKhaos

04.24.2012 , 07:39 AM \| #421	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by aidolem Assasins the class WITH vanish/sprint/pull/tech immunity/physical immunity/slow/root/pushback/disorient/stealth/x2 stun melee abilities/range abilities. If i forgot something let me know. WHO EVER MAKE CLASS THAT CAN HAVE ALL THESE ABILITIES IN ONE IS THE WORST PVP MAKER IN WHOLE WORLD WITH HE BRAIN BEING DAMADEG TO DEATH. Most of what you say they do have but they do NOT have physical immunity, a 10m range atk is NOT range. If you want to look at too much utility why not look at Operatives/Scoundrels, how about the ranged tank ability of PowerTechs/Vanguards? Everyone has advantages in this game to point out Shadows and Assassins is stupid. As much OP people call Shadows/Assassins in say Huttball ever seen the advantages a PowerTech/Vanguard has? So please complain more till they nerf EVERYTHING into oblivion that nothing is fun.
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lELADRIN

04.24.2012 , 08:34 AM \| #422	Quote
Yes I'm A tanksin and have been since launch but the cry for nerfs on us just started since 1.2. OK lets look at the tanksin's. What was changed in 1.2 um NOTHING, Assassin Mass Mind Control: Updated this tooltip to correctly state that the ability does not break stealth. The ability's functionality has not changed. Madness (Assassin) DOT SPEC NOT TANK Death Field no longer heals the caster if no targets are hit. Raze's activation effects are now more visible. So why are people qq'ing about them now? The change in expertise plus the nerf's/buffs to other classes have caused people to L2P the class and people are getting better at playing the class. A full tanksin 31/?/? does NOT have a lot of spike damage save their assassinate which ALL specs of sin's have. Deception has the spike damage, Madness has dot's, Darkness (Tank) has self heals/defense. The problem is the expertise change, which with a fully geared tanksin increases the dps, healing, and defenses. This same change is why Sentinel's and Marauder's are so op in the dps. If you want to call for a nerf call for it for the RIGHT reason. Tanksin's haven't changed expertise has, nerf expertise not the Tanksin.

cycao

04.24.2012 , 08:40 AM \| #423	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by lELADRIN Yes I'm A tanksin and have been since launch but the cry for nerfs on us just started since 1.2. Well there have been crys for nerfs prior to 1.2 but since the release of the patch notes and after the patch went live it has only gotten worse. They also looked at the damage done in warzones and TTK and only changed DR/HSM and the fact that we were unchanged makes me wonder.

MandraMoody

04.24.2012 , 08:56 AM \| #424	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by lELADRIN Yes I'm A tanksin and have been since launch but the cry for nerfs on us just started since 1.2. OK lets look at the tanksin's. What was changed in 1.2 um NOTHING, Assassin Mass Mind Control: Updated this tooltip to correctly state that the ability does not break stealth. The ability's functionality has not changed. Madness (Assassin) DOT SPEC NOT TANK Death Field no longer heals the caster if no targets are hit. Raze's activation effects are now more visible. So why are people qq'ing about them now? The change in expertise plus the nerf's/buffs to other classes have caused people to L2P the class and people are getting better at playing the class. A full tanksin 31/?/? does NOT have a lot of spike damage save their assassinate which ALL specs of sin's have. Deception has the spike damage, Madness has dot's, Darkness (Tank) has self heals/defense. The problem is the expertise change, which with a fully geared tanksin increases the dps, healing, and defenses. This same change is why Sentinel's and Marauder's are so op in the dps. If you want to call for a nerf call for it for the RIGHT reason. Tanksin's haven't changed expertise has, nerf expertise not the Tanksin. very good point! I think many of the nerf-cryers aren't over 1k expertise (watch them all now say they are lol @ predictable). I offer though that nerfing will ruin the game entirely, but I agree it's all about the expertise stat going way up. As you mentioned also the "knowing how to play your class" - factor. This forum is saturated with people who don't. I guess finger pointing takes less twinkies to power than actually getting better at something. <shrug>
WHAT??? NO FAMBAAS????

DarthKhaos

04.24.2012 , 11:08 AM \| #425	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by MandraMoody very good point! I think many of the nerf-cryers aren't over 1k expertise (watch them all now say they are lol @ predictable). I offer though that nerfing will ruin the game entirely, but I agree it's all about the expertise stat going way up. As you mentioned also the "knowing how to play your class" - factor. This forum is saturated with people who don't. I guess finger pointing takes less twinkies to power than actually getting better at something. <shrug> It's interesting pre 1.2 I've been telling people that expertise is an important stat when you're PvPing esp for a new lvl 50. They come from the 10-49 bracket where there were little to no expertise and believe their OP PvE gear will be enough. The stat is a PvP equalizer. Now post 1.2 it's even more important to have the stat. Gona is the day of mixing and matching PvE & PvP gear to make yourself better. It's ALL PvP gear or you get rolled. The more expertise you got the better. I've mentioned it before the tanking talents Shadows & Assassins have give a % boost to defensive stats and when a player wear DPS gear they get no no benefits from the % increases. The only thing they gain is some health back abilities only enough to keep em a live a little longer. Make no mistake they are more DPS than tank in DPS gear.
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Astarica

04.24.2012 , 11:21 AM \| #426	Quote
Expertise applies to all class equally but the strongest class is likely to see a bigger gain because you only need a very small extra edge to totally dominate the lesser classes. For example you won't see people complaining about Deception Assassins are overpowered even if they have 1300 Expertise (full WH), not because Expertise somehow works less on them but rather they just isn't strong eonugh to get pushed into the overpowered range even with Expertise. A well played Tankasin is pretty much uncounterable 1on1 without using mirror classes, but so is a well played Op healer. Also, there are A LOT of mirror matches out there.

Sundragon

04.24.2012 , 11:25 AM \| #427	Quote
Essentially, if you don't bring 1 assassin to a Warzone, you are at a huge disadvantage. I leave warzones unless I see at least 1 assassin and 1 healer. The assassin can defend points too easily allowing you to over-commit to an attack in another location.
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cycao

04.24.2012 , 11:37 AM \| #428	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Sundragon Essentially, if you don't bring 1 assassin to a Warzone, you are at a huge disadvantage. I leave warzones unless I see at least 1 assassin and 1 healer. The assassin can defend points too easily allowing you to over-commit to an attack in another location. See I hate this as 80% of the time I am the only 'sin in the zone which means I get the most boring job of all...solo guarding the node. Sure I can do it but its still the worst job there is.

Astarica

04.24.2012 , 11:41 AM \| #429	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by cycao See I hate this as 80% of the time I am the only 'sin in the zone which means I get the most boring job of all...solo guarding the node. Sure I can do it but its still the worst job there is. Most of my WZs have 2-4 Tankasins on my side alone, though that doesn't mean there are more volunteers for the thankless job of solo guarding even though it is absolutely crucial to winning any node based map.

Maestrodomus

04.24.2012 , 11:47 AM \| #430	Quote
Silly all the nerf cries now that Sorcs and Mercs got what they had coming to them. We haven't been buffed since the Wither/Harnessed patch 3 months ago.
Dark Fury [Canderous Ordo]

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