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So all GTNs are going to merge soon ?

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So all GTNs are going to merge soon ?

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yoshua
04.24.2012 , 09:36 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by asbalana View Post
I am not sure why I would even want the gtn on my ship unless it was super cheap. I have characters on fleet all of the time. They are a stones throw away from the gtn and a mail box. I hardly ever have anyone on ship and then it is just to get from one place to another or when required for a class quest.

Am I missing something?
No, not really. after level 50 the only reason to go to your ship is to travel.
Yoshua Acero
Pre-Cu Bria Vet - Master Doc/Master swords

Paid 15$ at Gamestop for my CE!

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iceperson
04.24.2012 , 09:39 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
Get some comprehension there skip. ;p

I'm not dooming and glooming. I'm talking about your type, that seek instant gratification without every looking beyond that gratification need....then, one day log on and see the results of their complaints and begin to complain about them.

Very rarely do I see a well thought out argument on these boards, just "I want, I want, I want". Zero forethought.
actually that's all you did do. read what you said again. here, let me remind you. "Further. within a few weeks of it going live, the fleet will be a ghost town." do you want to defend that statement? please, try. until then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-bozsSl6x8

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yoshua
04.24.2012 , 09:40 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
Famous last words. Everyone believes their ideas, their arguments are infallible. That is why scientific theory must be peer reviewed....so that ego does not rule the day. If you are attempting to laugh at me, believing you have succeeded, while at once putting forth a an unsupported argument, then promulgating that into law within the confines of your own mind when the flaw can clearly be identified even using the "common" man model, you are only embarrassing yourself. Don't do that.

Now, once again, if you can put forth a contention that you can back up, that makes sense, that can show some outcome (be it positive to support your case or not), then I'm interested in the challenging, and possibly the overruling of my contention....but "neaner, neaner", I look cooler then you on the message boards", based on your acceptance of your own hypothesis as fact does not cut it. ;p

Big words does not an argument make. fillabuster? yes, argument? no.

You could take everything you said to heart, seeing as you have no 'proof' to back up what you are saying. I have my personal experiences. I spend zero time on my ship. I am on a planet or I am on the fleet. If I am on the fleet I have access to the GTN readily. If I am on a planet and need to get tot he fleet I quick travel with a fleet pass. Majority of the players I play with do the same thing. How do I know? I play with them and we all say 'going to the fleet' and quick travel. Again, my experience says that having a GTN on your ship is not going to make people stop playing the rest of the game, and the majority of the time your ship is OUT OF THE WAY to get to at level 50.

Again, the sky is not falling. but please take what you wrote to heart, with no 'proof' your supposed argument as just as moot as mine, difference is I am not sure you know what level 50 game play is like yet based on your ideas put forth.
Yoshua Acero
Pre-Cu Bria Vet - Master Doc/Master swords

Paid 15$ at Gamestop for my CE!

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Blackardin
04.24.2012 , 09:41 AM | #64
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Well, we've already been over this... weeks ago... when it was released...and weeks before that... when it was announced. The fact that you completely missed that is hardly our fault.
I missed? You're not even talking about the same thing that I am! Did you even read my posts?

I do not care about the merger! Its been well discussed. I agree with that. I was speaking specifically about the continued push toward a single player matrix its impact on a multiplayer game and how the on-board GTN, on-board mail, cross server LFG, etc. contributes to this.

Look, NM. You guys win, it will be leet! LOL

.....I have a head-ache now. ;p

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asbalana
04.24.2012 , 09:44 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Malastare View Post

Even without the imbalance, the larger combined size will create a more normalized market. The availability of Armor mods below level 47 is very erratic. Doubling the market base should help with this. I know that my Republic-based Cybertech would love to be able to get access to the horde of Bounty Hunters on the Empire side.

It will also revitalize some crafting trades, particularly artifice, which often create items either explicitly for or significantly more popular for the opposite faction. Just last night, my wife commented on how she could make artifact-level blue crystals, but it was pointless because she was playing Empire. On the Empire GTN, blue crystals were selling at about 1/8 (or less) than equivalent red crystals.
Huh?

Create a republic character, level to 11 and park it on fleet next to the gtn. Problem solved. My wife's empire synth has a tono of JK and other republic recipies. No problem - craft, mail, list, profit.

As far as armor mods below 47, I have found that they do not sell so do not bother make them for either side. It is not a question of faction rather than the fact that you can get lower level mods all over the place without going to the gtn. Other than armor or weapons(both of which you usually do not need) or mods, there is not much to buy with low level commadations.

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Malastare
04.24.2012 , 09:52 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
Now, once again, if you can put forth a contention that you can back up, that makes sense, that can show some outcome (be it positive to support your case or not), then I'm interested in the challenging, and possibly the overruling of my contention....but "neaner, neaner", I look cooler then you on the message boards", based on your acceptance of your own hypothesis as fact does not cut it. ;p
Neither does your superior-to-you, big-wordy intellectualism. And that is coming from a strong intellectual.

You are claiming that you're not hearing any counter-arguments, but the truth is that you simply ignore them. You toss out questions that appear to be rhetorical ("Has anyone actually thought about the consequences...") but they really aren't. Yes. People have thought about the consequences. The truth of the matter is that your fears don't really have much of a foundation.

Remember, only a small minority of players actually have 1M (much less 5M) credits. Of those people who have such cash, no logical human would assume that even a majority of them would buy an appliance which saves them only a trivial amount of time and money. Remember, it only takes two more minutes to get from my ship to the Fleet GTN. It's not like shaving that off is really that much of an advantage.

Since you seem to be a fan of the scientific method and intellectual review, why not apply that rigor to your own arguments. You complain that people aren't thinking of the future, and that they haven't proven that your fears won't come true. Well, they can't, because you haven't even managed to support your fears and show that they are likely.

You seem to think that "everyone" (ie: a functional majority) will have a shipboard GTN in six months (or a year...or two years). Yet, you have given no evidence to support that other than "well, it's obvious". It's not obvious. Most accounts do not have multiple Lvl50's. Most accounts are casuals. I'd easily say that most accounts don't have even a single Lvl50, and haven't reached more than Lvl5 on their Legacy. If you think that is going to drastically chance in a year, then you simply don't understand how MMOs work. Even now, the majority of players of WoW are casuals, and they don't have multiple max-level characters.

So, until you can convince people that this is something that is going to be very common, you have no basis for your primary argument. There's no reason to think that the shipboard GTN will be used by anything more than a small minority of players, and even those who have it will still have reasons to return to the fleet.

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RocNessMonster
04.24.2012 , 09:58 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Zilkin View Post
Selling stuff cheaper than you is griefing? That word has lost all meaning by now.
No I think what he means is the the 60-100 pages of the same Grade 1 material all undercut by a credit, only creating endless pages of spam (especially since we cant search grade).
I need about tree fitty.

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illgot
04.24.2012 , 10:21 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by iceperson View Post
incorrect
setting up your legacy tree has no effect on cross faction mailing.

I have toons on both factions and mail back and forth constantly. I have not touched the legacy tree because it is a useless feature.

Stop spreading mis-information.

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Malastare
04.24.2012 , 10:23 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by asbalana View Post
Create a republic character, level to 11 and park it on fleet next to the gtn. Problem solved.
Yeah, we've established this chain already. However, the need/utility of performing this sort of transfer simply points out that the majority of people don't do it. Sure, I could do it, but that doesn't actually address the problem does it? It just makes me an exploiter (in the soft sense) of an artificial situation. If we were to merge the GTNs, the situation would be gone, and the market could function in a more organic manner. It would be solved for me, but more importantly, it would be solved for everyone else, too.

The point here is to actually come up with solutions that benefit the community, not just me. Seems like pretty rare thinking these days, though, so I don't blame you.

Quote: Originally Posted by asbalana View Post
As far as armor mods below 47, I have found that they do not sell so do not bother make them for either side. It is not a question of faction rather than the fact that you can get lower level mods all over the place without going to the gtn. Other than armor or weapons(both of which you usually do not need) or mods, there is not much to buy with low level commadations.
Well apparently you're on a crap server, then. I can pretty regularly spend (for example) 3K in missions and scavenging to build 5 (blue) mods and sell them on the GTN for 1500 a piece. It's not lucrative, but I can double my investment with only an hour or so of work. The issue with the market isn't that they don't sell. The issue is that there is a limited market. I can't really sell 5 Might Mod 10's in a day. I can maybe sell 3. When I want to sell, I make a variety. However, trying to make artifact (purple) mods is an issue because I simply cannot get the artifact materials for them with any reliability. Of course, there isn't all that much desire to remedy that problem for lower levels. At the higher levels its easier to get the artifact metals.

The bigger problem is buying. That's one reason I went through the effort to create a Cybertech is so I could just make my own mods rather than shopping for them.

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iceperson
04.24.2012 , 10:25 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
setting up your legacy tree has no effect on cross faction mailing.

I have toons on both factions and mail back and forth constantly. I have not touched the legacy tree because it is a useless feature.

Stop spreading mis-information.
Pssst.... your ignorance is showing. I have a character that I have not logged into since 1.2 and thus does not show up in the family tree or in the slots on the left and I can not mail to that character from the opposing faction.