Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

I'll take a single server version of the dungeon finder thanks. Solves the sitting in fleet issue(because you can queue up while you are leveling on other planets or doing level 50 dailies) while not going down the road that WoW and Rift went down.

And an FYI, the single server version of what Rift and WoW did were both poorly done. Rift implemented it at a time that they had similar server pop issues that SWTOR does now. Sure, the busy servers got a benefit, but the ones opened shortly after launch for the queues did not get much help. Had they merged the servers before going cross server, perhaps they would have never had to do it. On Faeblight where I was the initial LFD setup worked fine(Faeblight was the highest pop RP-PVE server). WoW's was completely different and didn't even have the rewards for using the bloody system.(don't think free shinies didn't help get more "butts in seats")


Alas poor Rift, I knew him well(or at least I thought I did).....

These are arguments about why not to implement a X-server lfg tool. These are all results that result in a worse overall experience once the tool has been implemented. These are arguments against the tool because they show the negative reactions that occur once the tool is implemented. His comments about the sitting around in cities are also valid. Look at the other games. People stop trying to level in teh zones (in this case worlds) and just sit around waiting for que to pop, and level by doing FPs. Therefor the leveling zone populations drop and players miss out on content and story. Afterall why leave the city where everything you need is? Otherwise you risk your que popping up in the middle of a highly populated hostile area. Therefor his comments on heroic quests are valid because they are direct effects caused by the lfg tools described in above posts.

That is entirely speculation and nothing more. Where is your evidence that Group Finder caused people to stop levelling? Where is your evidence that players did nothing but sit inside cities instead of doing quests?

Until you have solid evidence, and not just "your word" for it, the opinion is nothing more than wild speculation with no merit.

The discussion of server population resulting in people being unable to group for Heroic missions is seperate to the discussion for a Group Finder for Flashpoints.

For low pop servers I will agree that Server Mergers are needed. However I can say without a doubt that Bioware will refuse to do that for a long time, because they will not want to go down in MMO History as having done a server merge so soon after launch.

My evidence is WoW and Rift. In both games people stand around in the cities and troll the trade chat while waiting for their group finder to pop. They do this because the ease and convenience of levelling exclusively via doing dungeons far exceeds the alternative. This has twice had the effect of emptying out the adventure zones and making finding a group for non-dungeon content next to impossible. It is one of the prime reasons why Blizzard ending up removing all but a scant few of the elite (group required) quests from their adventure zones.
I suggest you look up the definition of evidence and then the definition of speculation.


My evidence is the current state of play in WoW and Rift. I watched it happen twice. I see no reason to expect SWTOR would be any different.



If the presence of a XLFG tool directly, and negatively, impacts world populations in SWTOR the same way it did the adventure zones in WoW and Rift then it would make Flashpoints easier to get but make Heroics (which far outnumber Flashpoints in quantity) harder to get. It is the law of unintended consequences - we've seen it happen before and there's no reason to believe this game would be any different.

See above.

On what do you base that assertion? Do you have any evidence to suggest that BW will refuse to do mergers for a long time? How do you define a long time?

No but I have common sense. Try thinking less of a player and more of a businessman, you might start to understand why companies do what they do.

We already know they have worked out the tech for character transfers to the new APAC (asian pacific) servers - it isn't much of a stretch to assume that once the bugs are ironed out of that process to assume server transfers are possible. If server transfers of individual characters are available, what is stopping server mergers?

Transferring characters onto a waiting, empty server is not the same as combining two servers together. Especially when it comes to Legacy. But once again, you're missing the point. It's not that it's too difficult to do server merges, it's that you are completely failing to understand business.

You can not care all you want, but the concerns are valid.
The presence of a cross server dungeon finder is the difference between an online multiplayer co op game and an mmorpg.

Thankfully, the developers said the incoming FP finder will be server wide only.

At least you're distracting me from work, even if it is to wonder how you're failing to understand anything.

You know, since there is no empirical evidence(because nobody tracks it so that there can be evidence of it - and even if they did some kind of test pre and post it would be dismissed as not being scientific enough due to variables) any argument about the negative effects are speculation since you can't pinpoint the actual reason for what has been observed..

Don't forget, the same would also apply to you as well.. How can you say it would be beneficial to the community?? So by your standards, there is no arguement that it is good for the community as well.. Since any argument about the positive effects are speculation since you can't pinpoint the actual reason for what has been observed..

The cross server LFG system is bad for guilds.. Because it meant that people didn't need guilds to run stuff.. Be it raids, flashpoints or PVP activities.. That is simply logic and simply to see.. Why be in a guild when people have only to press a button and then be inserted into a ready made group..