So are addons coming or not?

Calm down. No one is treating you like you're stupid. We're trying to get our points across when the majority of the anti-addon crowd has their fingers in their ears and are humming loudly. That doesn't mean we're calling you stupid.

just because you don't use the word stupid doesn't mean the implication isn't there.

maybe you're not calling it stupid, but you're definitely calling it ignorant.

though, in essence, you are right. by saying I don't want add-ons in this game I .am. indeed saying I don't want .you. to use them, either.

why? because I hate you and want to do everything in my might to make you leave this game? surely not.

I'm concerned about this game's community, more than anything. that is - in part - due to me seeing what WoW did, but also in part because I played other games that allowed add-ons. (apart from cosmetic stuff like lotro does)

I am calling a large majority of the anti-addon crowd ignorant, yes. As I said, they are putting their fingers in their ears and humming loudly. That said, those that have a legitimate concern... I can understand that. You are concerned about the game's community and how some guilds are likely to force you to use addons to raid. I understand and respect that positive. I'm pro-addon and even I have that concern. Those that are concerned about "Dumbing down" the game also have a valid concern.

There was a negative effect of addons in WoW... some guilds wouldn't let you raid if you didn't have certain addons... but in my opinion, if you wanted to raid without addons, you had the choice to either make your own guild or find a guild that wasn't so stuck up. Yes, I look down on those that force addons on other players.

I am also worried about the spam addons that flooded trade chat every night with their trivia rubbish... But at the same time, I desire the quality of life addons that made WoW so much better. Stuff like ElvUI, ArkInventory, BetterInbox, Postal.

i really dont think EA will allow you to modify there game client . and as said before there is absolutley no need for third parties to be allowed to . if you want a change pop your suggestion in the appropiate section of the forum , they are listening . i dont honestly like the thought of mods becoming a requirment to play , you try puut it accross that all mods are benevolent happy time , but fact is many people get excluded from content in other games if the dont have this intalled or that mod in place , i would hate to think that people would be kicked from groups because they havent got the latest raid frames from curse etc .
also some of you want it to happen to bad . its allmost like there some kind of hidden agenda going on . yes i am paranoid .

may I ask what makes you think people are anti-add-ons 'just because'?

and I understand that you would love to see some add-ons for convenience sake, I admit when I played a game that had add-ons to see my bags on all my chars it made crafting a lot easier. but it's not like I actually .need. it. furthermore, I think things like that should be accessable right from the game client. or better yet, give us a chest/shared cargo tab for our legacy. other games have done this for 10 years, I'm sure BW can figure something out.

*nods* I've just run into far to many peope who like to act like they know everything about subjects like programming and what have you... Most of my experiance and knowlage comes from "old school" sources when viruses weren't all trojans, worms, and key loggers. My old Tech actualy made a virus that would make your comp seem to go through the steps of formatting C drive before dropping you back into whatever you were doing. Seeding the code for viruses, in fragments, into the codeing of programs was definately doable.

My main experiance with WoW was back before the release of Burning Crusade, on my server there was little one could do without this mod or that mod if you didn't want someone to treat you like trash for not useing the proper "tools". Magor RP guilds didn't want to RP with you if you didn't have certain mods, No raid group would soil themselves by even talking to someone who didn't have certain mods... I heard that the attitude got alot better later but my bad experiances don't lead me to beleive they are actualy good for the comunity.
I'm fine with you likeing them, but there has been alot of talk in these threads makeing anyone who doesn't like mods out to be some kind of simplton for not haveing the same positive experiances you have. Informing me of thier good points or that "I don't have to use them" is little to no comfort.


As for millions and millions of people disagreeing with me, that's fine. Popular does not mean good, I'm not a fan of blonds either but I keep hearing how blond hair make people beautifull.

Quite a few people are anti-addon "Just because". Take a look at threads from the past. I've seen people simply post "I don't want addons" or something to the like. No reason for not wanting addons. Just "No!".

I understand and respect the reasons some people are giving. But I can not and will not respect the "No No No." Attitude of some people.

You're right. I don't need them. Some features - like a better bag system - should be part of the base game. But if Bioware spent time implementing every single good interface suggestion, there'd be no time to develop raids or other content.

Addons allow gamers to develop their own interfaces, and Bioware can focus on developing content.

IMO, the problem got worse. We had plenty of people in classic WoW that ran without raid addons and simply never "told" the raid leader. Admittedly, until the back half of AQ40, I was one of those people. I never used any mods for Molten Core or Blackwing Lair, and only started using them because in AQ40 because of events like Huhuran and Twin Emperors.

By the end of the Wrath expansion, even most casual guilds wouldn't take people on easy 10 man raids if they didn't run DeadlyBossMods or BigWigs, plus Omen Threat Meter, plus Recount or some other type of DPS tracker. Mods like AtlasLoot have also become almost mandatory. Because group mods like DBM, BigWigs, and Recount can communicate amongst themselves by design, people in the random dungeon finder would vote to kick other players if they did a group check and found someone not using one of them.

For this, I will point out your "not intending to come across that way" I am not upset, but some of the people arguing on your side seem quite happy to either not play attention to what they are typeing or deliberately try to provoke reactions from others.
Some of the people argueing the "pro" side are being just as pigheaded and ignorant as some of the people on the "anit" side.
I honestly don't see any addon thread coming to any kind of constructive conclusion.

Don't get me wrong. That ignorant attitude still exists in WoW. But the fact that Blizzard has added many of those "Quality of life" features to the game has reduced the ignorant "You HAVE to play with addonx y and z" attitude.


I don't think hair colour has any effect on beauty, personally :P