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EA to Release Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Results on May 7, 2012

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EA to Release Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Results on May 7, 2012

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HeavensAgent
04.23.2012 , 10:26 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
I did.

No, you provided information that failed to support any of your claims.

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-Sev
04.23.2012 , 10:26 PM | #92
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

lol jking. I think we will pull out with +1,7 million

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Necrolepsy
04.23.2012 , 10:26 PM | #93
It's pretty sad that this whole trend of watching financial reports and stocks IF YOU'RE A GAMER started last year. 99% of you don't even understand them let alone have a reason to care about them.
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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 10:27 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
No, you provided information that failed to support any of your claims.
I can stick my fingers in my ears and go "lalalalala" too!
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Asuka
04.23.2012 , 10:27 PM | #95
An active sub is an active sub whether it's the 30 days free with purchase or the 30 days free for having a lvl 50. Either way you had to have thrown down money to get it.

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FooBard
04.23.2012 , 10:29 PM | #96
This doesn't affect me.

*goes back to my own life*

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HeavensAgent
04.23.2012 , 10:32 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
I can stick my fingers in my ears and go "lalalalala" too!
I know you can. You've been doing it for the past couple of pages at least.

You provided evidence that demonstrates Bioware includes new accounts still within the first free month when determining their total number of active subscribers. That is the only thing you have provided.

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Kthx
04.23.2012 , 10:32 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
I'm stating that they can--and do--include "non-paying" accounts in their subscription totals. This means they can count people (like those who posted above) who have decided to quit the game, but have time remaining on their account, in their subscriber totals.
I agree with you and this is exactly what they should do. BioWare has no way of predicting when someone who has canceled a sub will start playing again. Nor can they predict when someone is going to cancel in the future or start playing in the future. The subcription numbers provided at the earnings call is a historical number: It is not forward looking. It should include all players who were contributing revenue, through game purchases or paid subscriptions, at the end of the period of performance. This is a straightforward measurement, leaves no room for ambiguity, and is the de facto standard for the industry.

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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 10:41 PM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
I know you can. You've been doing it for the past couple of pages at least.

You provided evidence that demonstrates Bioware includes new accounts still within the first free month when determining their total number of active subscribers. That is the only thing you have provided.
Said evidence is used to establish a behavior. Here's a hypothetical, and my last attempt at helping you to understand this before I go to bed:

One player has 29 days left on her account; she recently joined the game, but has decided to wait it out before deciding to sign up for a recurring subscription plan (she "cancelled" right after signing up). She's currently playing on free time, and despite having her card information on file, she will not make a decision about subscribing until there's 2 days left on the account.

A different player has 29 days left on his account; he just finished cancelling his subscription and has no desire or intent to return either in the 29 days remaining or afterward. He won't be back, even when BioWare hands him 30 days for free (see Stephen Reid's comments about who qualifies).

Another player has 29 days left on his account; he's currently signed up for a recurring monthly subscription. He's gung-ho and plans to be here for a while.

What's the difference between these three players for BioWare? I'll give you a hint: there is no difference. They're all "subscribers" simply because they have time left on their accounts.
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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 10:42 PM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Kthx View Post
I agree with you and this is exactly what they should do. BioWare has no way of predicting when someone who has canceled a sub will start playing again. Nor can they predict when someone is going to cancel in the future or start playing in the future. The subcription numbers provided at the earnings call is a historical number: It is not forward looking. It should include all players who were contributing revenue, through game purchases or paid subscriptions, at the end of the period of performance. This is a straightforward measurement, leaves no room for ambiguity, and is the de facto standard for the industry.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but can you cite some examples of other companies doing this?
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