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EA to Release Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Results on May 7, 2012

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EA to Release Fourth Quarter Fiscal Year 2012 Results on May 7, 2012

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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 09:51 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
Unless you can provide evidence that such a "neat trick" is being employed, though, your statements are nothing more than baseless rumor and supposition.
What? That they do indeed include accounts which are "cancelled" but have time remaining in their subscription numbers? I posted such evidence earlier in the thread, but I'll repost it here for you:

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... which Brown said represents a mix of users who already have signed up for a paid subscription and users who have given their credit cards over, but have not yet had their paid plans kick in.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-...story_featstor
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HeavensAgent
04.23.2012 , 09:57 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
What? That they do indeed include accounts which are "cancelled" but have time remaining in their subscription numbers? I posted such evidence earlier in the thread, but I'll repost it here for you:
You do realize that quote doesn't support your claims, right? The emphasized area doesn't even have anything to do with what you're stating.

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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 10:02 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
You do realize that quote doesn't support your claims, right? The emphasized area doesn't even have anything to do with what you're stating.
I'm stating that they can--and do--include "non-paying" accounts in their subscription totals. This means they can count people (like those who posted above) who have decided to quit the game, but have time remaining on their account, in their subscriber totals.

Their 1.7 million subscribers isn't actually 1.7 million subscribers. It'd more accurately be stated as 1.7 million people who have time on their accounts--playing or not.

The link and quote I posted provides a clear example of them doing this.
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Asuka
04.23.2012 , 10:07 PM | #84
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My reply was



In comparison to other stocks over the same period they have taken a much larger hit. If you were a stock holder and don't think that warrants an explanation that's great. Myself personally think it would warrant an explanation, and the assertion that I made still stands.
People like to think that it all revolves around SWTOR and it doesn't. EA as a whole has issues, poor economy, some consistently unsuccessful franchises ie... Need for Speed, Madden next to Sims one of their primo moneymakers wasn't as good as it's been other years. BioWare is still BioWare and one subsidiary can't really dramatically change the parent company's shortcomings and ME3 as successful as it is only bumped EA stock up like 50cents. .

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04.23.2012 , 10:08 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
I'm stating that they can--and do--include "non-paying" accounts in their subscription totals. This means they can count people (like those who posted above) who have decided to quit the game, but have time remaining on their account, in their subscriber totals.
But that's not even close to what the article states.

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Their 1.7 million subscribers isn't actually 1.7 million subscribers. It'd more accurately be stated as 1.7 million people who have time on their accounts--playing or not.
There's absolutely no support for this idea.

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The link and quote I posted provides a clear example of them doing this.
No, the link and quote you provided demonstrates that they consider new accounts still within the first free month to be active. It has nothing to do with cancelled accounts.

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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 10:13 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
There's absolutely no support for this idea.
Read the article again then. The support is right there.

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No, the link and quote you provided demonstrates that they consider new accounts still within the first free month to be active. It has nothing to do with cancelled accounts.
Let's follow that to its conclusion, okay?

If they include accounts that haven't actually paid for time (meaning they just have time on their account, but they haven't actually paid for anything) like new accounts as demonstrated by their statements in that article, then what's to stop them from including the free 30-day crowd?

After all, that's what the 30-days free with purchase of the game is, isn't it?
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HeavensAgent
04.23.2012 , 10:19 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
Read the article again then. The support is right there.
I've read it twice now. There's nothing in there supporting your statements.

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Let's follow that to its conclusion, okay?

If they include accounts that haven't actually paid for time (meaning they just have time on their account, but they haven't actually paid for anything) like new accounts as demonstrated by their statements in that article, then what's to stop them from including the free 30-day crowd?

After all, that's what the 30-days free with purchase of the game is, isn't it?
Well, there's nothing stopping them from doing so, no. There's also nothing stopping them from reactivating all accounts that were ever created for the single day that the population metric is taken. Without telling anyone.

The fact that something can be done is not evidence that it is actually being done. You have absolutely no proof for your claims. You may believe your statements, but without evidence demonstrating their validity, without proof of your claims, they are nothing more than supposition and rumor.

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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 10:21 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by HeavensAgent View Post
I've read it twice now. There's nothing in there supporting your statements.

Well, there's nothing stopping them from doing so, no. There's also nothing stopping them from reactivating all accounts that were ever created for the single day that the population metric is taken. Without telling anyone.

The fact that something can be done is not evidence that it is actually being done. You have absolutely no proof for your claims.
The proof is absolutely there, you just refuse to recognize it--or maybe you simply can't.
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HeavensAgent
04.23.2012 , 10:23 PM | #89
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The proof is absolutely there, you just refuse to recognize it--or maybe you simply can't.
I find it interesting that you insist the proof is there, yet you cannot produce it yourself. Please, if it exists, share with us. Illuminate us. Provide us with the superior understanding you possess, something which we all apparently lack.

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Dezzi
04.23.2012 , 10:24 PM | #90
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I find it interesting that you insist the proof is there, yet you cannot produce it yourself. Please, if it exists, share with us. Illuminate us. Provide us with the superior understanding you possess, something which we all apparently lack.
I did.

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