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Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

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Proteus
04.23.2012 , 11:32 AM | #381
More stupidity.
As a full spec shadow tank, even at my max of 700DPS, I can't take down a GOOD healing sage. They can literally self heal through anything I can do. Against a GOOD DPS sage, its even money, as it should be.
That 10% "instant heal"? Every TWO MINUTES. That 9% heal through harnessed shadows, TK throw? Yes, it IS interruptable (knockback), and requires 3 stacks to generate. Our 1v1 burst is pathetic. "Immune to force" ? Yeah..every 45s. Give me a break!

Quote: Originally Posted by Astakhan View Post
Then you are not a "good" TankAssin or you don't have good dps gear.

Immune to force, force pull, force speed, 10% instant heal, 9% heal through a non-interruptable ability.

Sure, I can interrupt that 9% heal with a stun or knock-back. Knockback is out because... ummm, you just said to keep them at range (remember?), so now I need to save my stun for that one ability, right? How exactly do I get to range? With lift? They either trinket out or have immunity to force up and running.

You're grasping at straws with your L2P arguement. I'm arguably top 5 Sage / Sorc on my entire server, War Hero, Full BM with a WH sprinkled in here and there. I know how to play my class and have tried every spec combo under the sun.

Now, we're talking about GOOD Tank shadows / assassins in dps gear. They are harder for me, as a Sage to kill than an OP or even a Marauder. L2P arguments are like when someone starts using profanity or screaming in a debate, it means you have no legit response and have already conceded the point.

EDIT: All of this while in a TANKING stance with higher armor, shield chance, etc, etc...

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Darianth
04.23.2012 , 11:36 AM | #382
Quote: Originally Posted by arkzehhh View Post
Shadow's are squishy, even with CD'S up, L2Counteract them, and stop being bad.
there more or less a 1v1 class (yes they have the ability too cc etc etc...) but they should destroy you ESP with cooldown's available, stop crying.

Assasin tank's on the other hand, yes they need there dmg lower quite a bit.
Oh and while there at it, nerf mara/sents, i hear they need it now .
It's ppl like this who cry for a nerd just because they"heard" something that end up getting things ruined. Mara/sents are where they need to be. Their damage counteracts their squishyness.

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Proteus
04.23.2012 , 11:37 AM | #383
The part where we get a 150% buff to armor in tank stance? The part where we lose a significant number of DPS abilities in tank stance, dropping our DPS from about 1200+ (DPS spec'd gear'd) to about 700 (tank spec'd, dps gear). To make it real clear (Tank shadow=2x armor rating, half the DPS vs DPS shadow). Whys is this bad/hard to understand?

Quote: Originally Posted by Zerogates View Post
If you are in DPS gear, does that not make you a DPS? If not, which part of darkness spec actually makes you a tank more than max health and defense?

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DarthKhaos
04.23.2012 , 11:38 AM | #384
Quote: Originally Posted by Heith View Post
i was amazed when i looked through the patch notes and see operatives getting nerfed again and assassins not changing. i have a 50 assassin (my mains a marauder though). i couldnt believe it. tank assassins in dps gear are by far the most overpowered class with way too many tools.

ive since unsubscribed to the game but ill stick around till my subscription runs out. ill come back in a year when bioware has hopefully gotten the game straightened out (or EA does to SWTOR what it did to earth and beyond.)
And this is a fault of the class? The player equipped dps gear and you're shocked they do more dps. What do you think will happen if a merc equips tanking gear? Sheesh.
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BDutch
04.23.2012 , 11:39 AM | #385
Quote: Originally Posted by Proteus View Post
The part where we get a 150% buff to armor in tank stance? The part where we lose a significant number of DPS abilities in tank stance, dropping our DPS from about 1200+ (DPS spec'd gear'd) to about 700 (tank spec'd, dps gear). To make it real clear (Tank shadow=2x armor rating, half the DPS vs DPS shadow). Whys is this bad/hard to understand?
Is the "700 DPS" referring to the parses mentioned earlier from tank geared people in PvE, or were there some more applicable parses mentioned in the last 40 pages?
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Dracosz
04.23.2012 , 11:41 AM | #386
Tankasins are fine.

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YanksfanJP
04.23.2012 , 11:50 AM | #387
Quote: Originally Posted by Dee-Jay View Post
And nowhere did I mention that this was about anything but Tank Assassins. I have no strong feelings either way when it comes to the other specs because everyone and their mother is rolling tank-spec anyway. For good reason.

Because it wins games.
They're rolling tank assassins because the other two assassin trees are terrible. When the other two trees got buffed I'm sure you'll see a lot fewer tank assassins around.
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cycao
04.23.2012 , 12:06 PM | #388
Honestly...you can get higher numbers damage wise in a warzone not that it even matters in a DPS spec. When I switched to deception for the very first time last night, I topped the board for damage in Civil War which I really cannot do when I am with my normal tank build. I thought it was a glitch because from what I hear it is impossible to do more dps in a dps spec over a tank...crazy and I filed a ticket.

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Kaze-Yama
04.23.2012 , 12:15 PM | #389
People need to stop calling them tank assassins because that isn't what they are. They are dps assassins who are just exploiting the game systems to live longer.

I actually play an assassin tank with full spec in the tank tree and tank gear and my damage output is terrible, most of my damage comes from aoe and hitting my procs on lightning and shock. At best I will crit for like 2k.

Obviously the issue isn't the tank tree it is how the gear system and stats work. If you nerf tank damage the people actually playing as tanks will get screwed. Somehow they need to adjust the talent trees to actually make deception or madness worth specing in since most of the damage seems to depend on gear not the talents you have.

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Neamhan
04.23.2012 , 12:23 PM | #390
Quote: Originally Posted by BDutch View Post
Is the "700 DPS" referring to the parses mentioned earlier from tank geared people in PvE, or were there some more applicable parses mentioned in the last 40 pages?
Why don't you provide some parses of a tank specced assassin doing higher DPS?