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Do You want cross server LFG tool?

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Do You want cross server LFG tool?

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solnar_xan
04.23.2012 , 10:26 AM | #301
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
I just can't understand the anti-social, self-serving attitudes of people who choose to play a Massively Multiplayer game...and then go on to try and say it's the Group Finder that breeds inconsiderate behaviour!
Exactly. Being able to get a group and do content in an MMO is the root of all evil?????

Not related to the quote, but FYI I personally have used the LFG/D tool in WoW tons and yes it is bad when people need on stuff for credits when I/YOU need the gear to equip, but in reality it happen like 1 out of 20 LFG/D groups and when it does happen it sucks. You guys may not have noticed but SW:TOR tends to drop gear that the group can use a lot more than WoW so this "gear" issue is much less of an issue than in WoW

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JediRyuk
04.23.2012 , 10:32 AM | #302
Yes, I want some kind of tool. I find it sad when I realized I play other games while player TOR because I 'play' a chat channel and 'fish' for a group.

My input; if we can't have a CS-LFG, lets have an evolved same-server LFG tool that allows people to queue for certain FP/HM/H's adding their role in comments (Not immersion breaking or w/e). Leaders can view from a list and send inv/tell. This lets people queue across the whole server instead of sitting on the station to get the best results. That way I can do other things in SWTOR instead of playing a different game while I wait. It's pretty depressing.
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Timesjoke
04.23.2012 , 10:33 AM | #303
Quote: Originally Posted by Redshirtricky View Post
People would be less inclined to roll "need" on things they just want out of greed when the people they're playing with is on their server. Why? There's such a thing as server reputation. Particularly on the republic side, population numbers are low enough that people can remember you and what YOU did.

That's not the case with x-server. Ninja and be a douche to your heart's content and you probably won't see those people again. Who cares if they blacklist you? You're now in a pool of tens / hundreds of thousands of people!
Item classes can be set up to limit what classes can roll need on items and make everything bind when pickup so at best all they can do is vender sell the item to reduce any ninja issue but to be honest, I don't mind a few idiots needing items they don't need as long as I can actually get a chance to see the content.

Right now we either never see endgame content or we get a LFG tool that lets us experience the content but may sometimes experience an idiot or 2, I vote getting to see the content even if there is a small chance of a ninja.

Quote: Originally Posted by Redshirtricky View Post
It just amazes me how people can quickly demonize the opposing side to their argument. Chill out and remember that the other guy is probably a reasonable human being.
Well even you get the one side wrong, you completely ignore the fact that without a LFG tool most people can never see end game material. The first step to any idea is to "correctly" identify the facts of the arguement. Most like you seem to be talking about a non-existent community that can police people who ninja items. There is no community that is doing endgame runs so how can you police something that is not happening?


First step is to get some runs going, hard to do without enough people actually on the server with geared toons in the first place.
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mindriot
04.23.2012 , 10:37 AM | #304
Quote: Originally Posted by chaosdefined View Post
Oh contraire! I fully support the option of being able to choose yourself whether you queue Single Server or Cross Server. What I feel is the best compromise to please as many people as possible.
That way you can use it for Cross Server if you're on a low pop. Single Server if you like keeping community. Or not at all if you just don't want to!

And I've read all the 'issues', which were mostly crying and tantrums about some big nasty meanie who stole their shiny loot. Sorry but I don't believe everyone should be punished because of the actions of a minority.
Exactly, ninja looting happens on my server already. Ppl roll for companion gear against group members, act like complete morons, or rude little pigs without cross lfg. Community has to come from other places. How about zone events. But not having the option is dinosaur game design, and people aren't going to continue unless they have the option to get into content quickly. Mmo communities are full of whiny kids anyway...xserver lfg isn't going to make it worse. You give ppl the tools to deal with problems. But the future of the game depends on this I believe. Players aren't gonna go back to 2006, the door has been opened for years, bioware needs to get onboard.
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Timesjoke
04.23.2012 , 10:42 AM | #305
Quote: Originally Posted by Phyreblade View Post
Right back atcha! So basically "I want it so therefore everybody else should just shut up and take it. My gaming experience is more important than anyone's."

If you have a problem understanding why *I* may have issues with cross-server LFG tools, read back through the thread. My issues are similar to those shared by numerous others, as I said.
The problem is you want to limit options while we do not.

If no LFG tool is created as you desire most people playing this game will never be allowed to experience endgame content from no fault of their own.


If a LFG tool is created people like you who do not like it simply do not have to use it. If all you want is runs done by your guild at 8pm then you are all set and the LFG tool has not changed your game experience in the slightest.
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REiiGN
04.23.2012 , 10:59 AM | #306
I don't know what people are talking about with them saying no to this. Then again this is my first MMO as I'm a fan of Star Wars but a supremely avid fan of First-Person Shooters. Obviously, if you are experienced in MMOs then you obviously have a guild and are in a very active one or you would be playing a different MMO. So this doesn't actually pertain to you.

I do get that people would ninja roll, it already happens anyways. I straight up quit the FP when people purposefully do that. I definitely do that with my healer when I'm doing FP. Nothing hurts more than to have a healer quit on you because you decided to ninja need on something that didn't pertain to you.

PvP though, yes, it needs X-server support.
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FriendlyTrooper
04.23.2012 , 11:09 AM | #307
Quote: Originally Posted by Datku View Post
Yes to cross server Flashpoint LFG tool. Leveling alts is really painful now. Feel sorry for new players because it's almost impossible to find a group to run normal flashpoints (even HM flashpoints at 50). Heroic 4 quests? Good luck best to just abandon them when you pick them up. Had an alt on Nar Shada and from the minute I landed on the planet I was lfg for any of them. I ended up finishing up all the other quest on Nar Shada over a couple days and never once got a group for any of the heroic 4's. This means if you want to level up an alt you have to do all solo quests, maybe solo queue PvP, space missions for exp. Personally I like playing in a group. I love running the flashpoints. They are group activities, and even though I have done every flash point over and over before they are a set block of time/objectives to complete that are fun to do and way to meet others.

Sure the anti-LFG people will say get people from your guild to run FP, have your friends roll alts with you and run FP etc. Populations are fading, guilds are getting smaller or endgame level, there just isn't much left. My sniper is now 38. Has only ran BT several times, athiss once, and Cademinu once been trying to find group for BP/Foundry for weeks now and no luck. My PT (now 30) has done BT about 4 times and not been able to group for any others. My Marauder has done BT 3 times and now can not even find people to do it let alone any other FP's.

Sure questing is good but when you have been there done that a few times (not to mention I was in beta so I did all the quests several times after each wipe), questing only gets boring. As other say its a single player game at this point. Not what a MMO is supposed to be. I prefer to group and not being able to find groups has reduced my interest in playing my alts and since my main is fully geared already I am starting to fall into the trend of logging in after resets each week to run guild ops then logging out till next week reset. Not sure how much longer I will follow that trend before I just quit logging in at all and find something else. Times are a bit dangerous to be put in that situation with other MMO/online mode games about to release in a couple months.
This i agree i feel like when ever i am lvling an alt i am playing a single player game... and why am i paying sub for single player game??? weird

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chimex
04.23.2012 , 11:16 AM | #308
No

and again...NO!!!! In other games it has lead to a serious decline in server community. It leads to worse and worse player etiquette and many other negative aspects (exampled above).

Instead of jumping on the "X-LFG NAOW" band wagon, wouldnt it make much more sense to try out:

1) In-server LFG tools (something slightly more effective than the current one)
2) server merges
3)server transfers.

Also, if you find yourself stuck occasionally to find a group, try building a friends list as you progress, join a guild, start a guild.

There are many options to try out before looking for X-server grouping.

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mindriot
04.23.2012 , 11:16 AM | #309
Quote: Originally Posted by REiiGN View Post
I don't know what people are talking about with them saying no to this. Then again this is my first MMO as I'm a fan of Star Wars but a supremely avid fan of First-Person Shooters. Obviously, if you are experienced in MMOs then you obviously have a guild and are in a very active one or you would be playing a different MMO. So this doesn't actually pertain to you.

I do get that people would ninja roll, it already happens anyways. I straight up quit the FP when people purposefully do that. I definitely do that with my healer when I'm doing FP. Nothing hurts more than to have a healer quit on you because you decided to ninja need on something that didn't pertain to you.

PvP though, yes, it needs X-server support.
pvp doesn't need it nearly as bad as pve does. At least in pvp I can Que up for a wz, and go about what I'm doing and wait for the pop, in pve I have to WORK on finding a group on a limited playing time. The thoughts on the game are already molding into "its a leveling alt game" because most mmo players feel that end game needs cross server to be viable, people are not going to go back to burning crusade days of finding groups. A close friend of mine who is a huge fan lot the game has quit because he doesn't have the time to invest in finding a group for an hour, only to have that group fall through and now your back to square one. I feel like the people arguing against this are the types that just have unlimited playtime, and feel their playstyle is the only one that matters.
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DarthTHC
04.23.2012 , 11:22 AM | #310
Quote: Originally Posted by chimex View Post
No

and again...NO!!!! In other games it has lead to a serious decline in server community. It leads to worse and worse player etiquette and many other negative aspects (exampled above).

Instead of jumping on the "X-LFG NAOW" band wagon, wouldnt it make much more sense to try out:

1) In-server LFG tools (something slightly more effective than the current one)
2) server merges
3)server transfers.

Also, if you find yourself stuck occasionally to find a group, try building a friends list as you progress, join a guild, start a guild.

There are many options to try out before looking for X-server grouping.

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1) Won't help people on dead servers. Over 80% of the servers are in this category. May not even help people on Standard servers. Will help people on the 8% of servers that are Heavy or better. In short, no this won't help.

2) Won't happen any time soon. BioWare will not admit defeat by merging servers earlier in a game's life than any other MMO in history. Admitting defeat being in the eyes of the stock market, which can seriously impact EA's bottom line.

3) Temporary solution at best. Server populations shift over time. What is high today might be low tomorrow, then you're in the same boat.

Please give a concrete example of bad behavior in a community that is driven by X-LFG that does not exist in this game right now.