1.3 eta?

Something like that. It's Aion minus the wings, a huge grind fest.

hahaha, the "classic" mmos had WAY more than 3 archetypical classes. god i miss good gaming

edit: 95% of mmo players have only played since companies starting dumbing **** down. and hey look gw2 is dumbing it down even further!

Slightly better than Aion because the combat is better, but yeah still a pretty big grind and has other major issues as well, no one at this stage still believes it is going to be any kinda of revolution.

Did read it and the rez orb is just a 1 time use that can't be used in pvp or world-vs-world. It's just for pve use and in that case it doesn't really give someone an advantage over anyone. Nothing in that cash shop gives anyone an advantage. Not even the xp boost seeing as how it is stupid easy to lvl in gw. Not only that if the end game gear is BoP, like how it is in just about every mmo ever, it wouldn't matter if people can buy a mess load of money. Not only that but you can buy gold in WoW as well. Does that make WoW a play to win as well?

EDIT: meant pay to win on that last sentence lol

Ah Tera. It is a fine example of an mmo that so many people pinned their hopes and dreams on, proudly declaring that people would leave SWTOR in droves when it came out. I'll wager people on the WoW forums said the same thing.

I think you are getting a little emotionally hurt (just the way it looks when I read it), no matter how you spin it 'pay to win' is 'pay to win'. If the game allows you to buy things with real world money that give you an advantage (in any way) in game play over someone who does not pay, it is "pay to win" don't try to fight a definition because you will lose.

Using your example regardless of how fast it is to level if I pay I can do it faster therefor get to endgame faster and get gear faster therefor giving me an advantage over anyone who didn't pay. Also in regards to the res orb, what if it gets to the point where no PvE group will take you unless you have one? Those who pay have the advantage again. Stop trying to argue a moot point it it just makes you look like a 'fan boi' (errr I hate that word).

I was done trying to show him, thank you for continuing.

As for back on topic about this game, I really hope 1.3 comes out with good testing and doesn't have a last minute pull a day before launching it.

Lol not being a fan boy and not even emotionally hurt. Pay to win means whatever you are buying is giving you an advantage. Nothing there is giving you an advantage. The xp boost doesn't mean a thing depending on the person. If you have a hard core player not using against a casual player using xp boost I promise you the hardcore guy will hit max lvl weeks before the casual. If it is two hardcore players with one guy having xp boost then guy MIGHT beat the other guy by a couple of hours if that. If it gets to the point where no group will take someone unless they have a rez orb then all they have to do is trade in gold for the gems. Seeing as how gw throws as much gold at people as they do xp(which if you haven't played Nightfall or factions they throw a lot of xp and gold at you) it will be little to no effort to get the gold for the gem.

p.s Try not using the fan boy defense. It makes it seem like you actually have nothing to say and that you are just pulling at whatever string you can find

Just on the whole Pay to Win GW2 thing, the level cap Tier Gear can only be obtained through GW2's token system(forget the name of them) just like in SWTOR you get your best gear from a token system, these tokens can't be traded with other players at all, you have to earn them therefor you have to earn the gear.

So sum up, best gear comes from playing the game and earning it, you can't get any of it through the GEM system.

I'm not going to say GW2 is really going to hurt SWTOR, i'm not sure if it will, no one can really know this, both games are great and bad in their own way, quick examples would be, SWTOR no real Open World PVP, Guild Wars 2 no Raids, biggest instance group content is a standard dungeon sized group. To each their own. I Just wanted to educate on how getting "the good gear" works in GW2,

That whole post is based on assumption. I was under the impression you already played GW2. "The xp boost doesn't mean thing depending on the person." already admitting that depending on the person it may or may not affect them adversely. So you are admitting that it could be detrimental for some.

Then you go on about the crutch that people will create in requiring res orbs. Yes, because we know how cheap it's going to be already. You're assuming that the price of gems for gold is low, but to me something like gems that allow you to buy certain account options would never be cheap. Otherwise you may as well just give them to everyone in the game without charging them gold.

This is going to be a brand new game from the beginning, not another "expansion" like Nightfall or Factions. The fan boy comment was a bit harsh, but it seems like you're putting a lot of effort into defending this game on the forums that are for another game.

SWTOR will be scratched by GW2, that is all. There will not be a mortal wound. TOR doesn't need 2 million players or more to thrive.