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Why non-stop alt leveling will fail.

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Why non-stop alt leveling will fail.

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Fornix
04.22.2012 , 11:02 AM | #101
In reply to the original post. As someone who only has the time to play a limited number of hours a week there is sufficient endgame content to keep going from patch to patch. There is so much still to be done, I hardly even get around to giving alts any attention.

Sure BioWare's story focus have given them some leeway when it comes to buying themselves some additional time. However, it's not the casual players they need to be buying time from. It's the player who plays 10 hours a day and clears patch content within a matter of weeks for whom they are needing to offer something extra in order to maintain them as subscribers.
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Quintan
04.22.2012 , 11:09 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by FourTwent View Post
ill give you that. there are a lot of features missing that some would say 'makes it an mmo'. the game was pushed WAY too early. . .or took WAY too long to develop different areas of the game lol. whatever the case it is true, the game needed more features, and those features needed to be fully developed(gtn anyone?)

diablo never was my cup of tea. even in the d3 beta im trying to use WADS to move and tab to target lol. but i do think that changing the way the game was, in order to adapt it for consoles is a huge mistake. but i see why they did it in a way. why make the 'old version' which im sure was ready way before they decided to make a console version, and then have to change the game specifically for the console version. then having to balance(and update/upgrade) two entirely different games essentially. but come on, its blizzard you know they can afford it.

are you trolling by trying to compare diablo 3 story with swtor story? its like your whole post was logical and reasonable up until that point XD.

im sure i dont need to say it, but swtor story is leaps and bounds ahead of diablo 3 story. not even focusing that swtor has 8 stories with slight variations(light/dark). . .the story for the class's starter planets are SO much better than what was showing in the diablo 3 beta(demo)
No I'm not trolling at all, sure SWTOR story has nice cut scenes and more story lines but I played all four Republic side and I find the Diablo 3 story and PvE to be more fun. Don't get me wrong I liked the SWTOR stories a lot but I also found them to be poorly though out and it's too bad really. SWTOR is great, I love the PvP and many other things about it but I just feel like the game features are all sub-par to other games. I feel like every feature is half-aszed instead of better, like they're happy with features being "almost" as good as other games that charge the same or less.

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Ricktur
04.22.2012 , 11:09 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
Sure BioWare's story focus have given them some leeway when it comes to buying themselves some additional time. However, it's not the casual players they need to be buying time from. It's the player who plays 10 hours a day and clears patch content within a matter of weeks for whom they are needing to offer something extra in order to maintain them as subscribers.
the problem is, this group of gamers represents the smallest portion of the player audience. i think it was James ohlen or someone that said "you dont make a 300 million dollar game for the minority"
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GalacticKegger
04.22.2012 , 11:24 AM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Quintan View Post
No I'm not trolling at all, sure SWTOR story has nice cut scenes and more story lines but I played all four Republic side and I find the Diablo 3 story and PvE to be more fun. Don't get me wrong I liked the SWTOR stories a lot but I also found them to be poorly though out and it's too bad really. SWTOR is great, I love the PvP and many other things about it but I just feel like the game features are all sub-par to other games. I feel like every feature is half-aszed instead of better, like they're happy with features being "almost" as good as other games that charge the same or less.
Actually you are, but kiiling it with kindness as opposed to acerbic flaming is a nice and welcome departure. Is 50¢ a day really that big of a hit for a game that doesn't do everything every other game combined does only better? If that's the turn-off then gaming must be horrifically stressful for you ... because that one-size-fits-all dream game (regardless of price) does not - and likely never will - exist.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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Bulwyf
04.22.2012 , 11:25 AM | #105
Here's my problem at level 50:

I have zero interest in raiding. Boring grind to get slightly better gear is not a valid endgame model. I will never take part in it.

I have zero interest in battleground pvp. Boring grind to get slightly better gear is not a valid endgame model. I will take no part in it.

What exactly does that leave one to do at 50? Play more alts? I can't think of anything to do at 50 that doesn't revolve around raiding or boring instanced pvp. The only endgame model that is truly dynamic and interesting is a huge open world RVR zone like Daoc where the players have reasons to pvp and that is the end game. This game does not even have Illum any more since they intentionally removed any reason to go there.

So to go back to the OP's point, what exactly does this game offer besides rolling alts to see story lines and once you hit 50 just reroll another alt?
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Tikigit
04.22.2012 , 11:29 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Lunazen View Post
I have heard a few times that end game is the only game. OP, you state that most MMO gamers feel this way.

Sorry but I must disagree with that statement. I don't know where you get your ideas about most gamers (from the forums?), but every single gamer I know wants a rich MMO experience from beginning to end and beyond.

Personally, story/lore is very important to me. The journey is the most fun for me. When I reach "the end," even in a game with excellent endgame content, I feel the wind go out of my sails. I prolong the journey as long as I can.

To that end, since leveling is ridiculously fast in swtor, I have:
1. a level 41 imp op dps
2. a level 14 imp op healer
3. a level 26 assassin
4., 5, 6. some low level sith and a bh

and on another server
7, 8, 9, 10. a few jedi padawans and a lowbie smuggler waiting for my attention.

I do agree this alt push by BW won't work for long for many people, but not because the endgame is the only game. It will fail because many people like to focus on a main character. I'm the same, actually. I love alts, but as a side amusement. I attach myself to my main as we embark on our several-year long journey (not month long journey to the endgame).

Cut leveling times and focus only on endgame... why bother with leveling at all? Why bother with an MMO at all??



For you TL/DR types: To have a game be successful longterm, it can't rely solely on alts to keep people occupied. However, beginning middle and endgame are equally important.
Pretty much said everything for me.

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Scrubtastic
04.22.2012 , 11:32 AM | #107
It's not that alt leveling will fail, it already has. The week 1.2 came out my server felt like launch day again, but the week after, it went back to the dead server it was for the past 2 months. This game was made for the casuals and baddies so they can roll moar alts cause they can't do/beat end game or win in pvp. Which is why they don't want dmg/healing meters or they would see how much they suck and how broken and unbalance this game is.

Maybe in 6 months they'll see that they are playing a dying game when there's barely anyone left on their server. Have fun rolling more alts to play your single player game. Thanks BW for the free month so I can tell everyone how awesome your game is.

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Patsilver
04.22.2012 , 11:34 AM | #108
I need more character slots per server
I survived the Patch From Hell (9/24/2013) but my subscription didn't.

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GalacticKegger
04.22.2012 , 11:38 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Scrubtastic View Post
It's not that alt leveling will fail, it already has. The week 1.2 came out my server felt like launch day again, but the week after, it went back to the dead server it was for the past 2 months. This game was made for the casuals and baddies so they can roll moar alts cause they can't do/beat end game or win in pvp. Which is why they don't want dmg/healing meters or they would see how much they suck and how broken and unbalance this game is.

Maybe in 6 months they'll see that they are playing a dying game when there's barely anyone left on their server. Have fun rolling more alts to play your single player game. Thanks BW for the free month so I can tell everyone how awesome your game is.
And if everyone you told were to come here and inquire about your flaming I'd tell them what they heard was a compensating lie and invite them to play on Mask of Nihilus.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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DieAlteHexe
04.22.2012 , 11:43 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by Scrubtastic View Post
... This game was made for the casuals and baddies so they can roll moar alts cause they can't do/beat end game or win in pvp. Which is why they don't want dmg/healing meters or they would see how much they suck and how broken and unbalance this game is.

Yeah, it was made for casuals. The "baddies" thing is, well, your interpretation but hey, we'll go with it and concede that we all can't be as über as you are. I suspect we'll muddle along though.

Maybe in 6 months they'll see that they are playing a dying game when there's barely anyone left on their server. Have fun rolling more alts to play your single player game. Thanks BW for the free month so I can tell everyone how awesome your game is.
Maybe we will, maybe we won't. As for me, during that six months, I intend to have fun. I find it amusing that you are willing to donate time to discussing a game that you have such obvious contempt for but hey....like the saying goes: Any publicity is good. So, keep on talking! There will be folks who come to check it out and stay. For that...thanks!
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