Why non-stop alt leveling will fail.

All that new content they just released was for leveling because that's all this game is about, right? Everyone plays their own way, and there is plenty of content to allow that.

Right, and just because chess is a 2 player game doesen't mean you can't play it solo too but thats not what I'm saying.

When you subscribe to a mmo, you're trading off what single player games do better to "join raids and such."

Thats why not.

[Opinion]

For me it's about the journey. I've never understood the rush to end game, and the recent trend to flatten leveling curves.

When people talk about 'old school' all the time, I cringe a bit. I don't like corpse runs, xp loss and de-leveling on death, overly hard play that requires big groups to get anything done. I don't miss 'any' of that.

I do miss the leveling process, however. Quests really helped with that by the time WoW got their hands on it. DAoC had 'some' of that every level. There were 3 or 4 you could do, maybe get you 25% through, then back to grinding. I always thought then that a game should 'constantly' have quests like that.

(not that I also don't have a place in my heart for a sand box, but that is another thread)

What then happened is they started flattening the curves, to the point where we have something like Rift now, which was just crazy. I wanted to do 'all' the quests, because that's what I like to do, and between that and rifts and such, everything was grey. I maxed out and had several zones to go.

There's a little of that here, thankfully it's a bit slower, but I think it could be slower still. I think the first 15 are fine, but it really needs to get steep from there.

[again, opinion] I think the 'end game is the beginning' came out of two things:

1. Gamers that have been around awhile, and many of them playing WoW for 'years', got used to just being at cap, and getting lots of new things to do. Now many of them just expect to start up a new game, get to the end, and have the same amount of stuff to do, otherwise why not just do that other thing?

2. The newer generation of players trying out MMOs are coming from consoles, and that's 'awesome'! Welcome! I don't want PC gaming to die, and for that to happen, we need to get your excited to try it out and stay! Having said that, you are used to plopping down with Call of Duty et al and 'bam', you are awesome (other than physically 'skilling' up to learn the game mechanics and get better at it as you play). Those games are like getting a maxed out character on e-bay for an MMO and off you go. So they look at us old foggies, and wonder why we want to play a game where our CoD character comes in naked, and we really don't get to 'start playing' for 5 months.

I have no answers. Just some opinions there, and where I stand relative to what I like. Carry on folks.

With that said, I have yet to meet a majority of persons more interested in leveling an alt than that of the populace that's more interested in achieving max level (quickly) and playing end game.

That being said SWTOR is about 69% MMO, 31% instanced single player game.

I have been playing the game since the weekend beta and I still do not have a level 50 character. I have multiple alts ranging from 40 -20 of different classes so i can see what their story is about.

Why should i care about endgame? Its there but it will not go anywhere and i can take my time to enjoy the game.


So i guess that makes me one of those that perfers the story and hanging out with friends. Oh dang...does that mean i have a life?

Quote: Originally Posted by Quintan
All the people in this thread that say the "journey" & the "story" is what drives them are single player gamers and obviously not experienced MMO players. No experienced MMO guild concerned with PvE progress will ever want the player that wants "story" and "journey" in their raid team that's for sure, maybe as friends or family of a raider but that's about it. End-game is supposed to be the biggest part of the game in an MMO but that's not the real problem SWTOR is facing today imo, people are just getting bored of having no one to do "anything" with since a majority(definitely more than half) of the servers are very light pop.

Why play a mmo and not just stick with single player games then?

All the people in this thread that say the "journey" & the "story" is what drives them are single player gamers and obviously not experienced MMO players. No experienced MMO guild concerned with PvE progress will ever want the player that wants "story" and "journey" in their raid team that's for sure, maybe as friends or family of a raider but that's about it. End-game is supposed to be the biggest part of the game in an MMO but that's not the real problem SWTOR is facing today imo, people are just getting bored of having no one to do "anything" with since a majority(definitely more than half) of the servers are very light pop.

That being said, PvE is so bad in this game that endGame doesn't really matter to me. I'll stick to pvp until D3..