Why non-stop alt leveling will fail.

Why play a mmo and not just stick with single player games then?

I just leveled my 4th 50 and I got to say I'm getting sick of it myself I'm a casual gamer and only level alts because raiding is way to easy so the guild will do them in one night and with every boss droping so many items after doing a couple time noone needs any loot. And pvp ques take so long on my standard server that sitting in fleet for 10 to 20 minutes with nothing else to do is boring. I look at this game as single player with a few bad mmo options.

again, you're assuming that this game was made for the hardcore mmo guilds/gamers.

that's like playing hello kitty online and expecting end game raids(or whatever else they have there) is what everyone is interested in.

this is a theme park mmo, always has, always will.

im sorry that you confused this game to be something that it isn't(assumptions suck, but there was plenty of info given out before release to show you this wasn't going to be that kind of game).

i do hope you enjoy diablo 3. i played the beta this weekend and ill tell you that it is NOT fun lol. maybe if you want to play it on a console, since the whole game's design/mechanics where changed to fit a controller pad and is not very keyboard/mouse friendly.

i just hope you dont start assuming too much. . .like you did with this game.

why not?

just because YOU play an MMO to join raids and such doesn't mean everyone has to.

do you know there are people playing skyrim right now that have never even done any of the story parts. . .and only exploring. do you know that there are others that strictly did the storyline and ignored the exploration(missing out on a LOT of dragons to fight).

who are you to tell someone how they should enjoy playing a game. if someone wanted to play swtor strictly for the crafting. . .or strictly for the vanity pets. then let them! you have no right telling them that they can't enjoy the game or shouldn't enjoy the game as much as you do with your raids.

too many closed minded ppl on internet forums

People will be inclined to level alts if only the game had a dungeon and heroic quest finder. This game feels far too much like a single player game and many people find it too boring to level a single character to 50 solo, let alone two. Keep in mind with the population decline it's even harder to find people to group with which is just making the problem that much worse.

BioWare need to implement fool proof grouping systems, much like WoWs which take all the hard and boring work of getting groups together automatically so people can log on and be playing with other players in minutes. The open party system on Warhammer Worked extremely well, as did the public quests so it's a mystery why BioWare they didn't implement them, especially since they have Mythic. I personally haven't experienced over half of the flashpoints simply because it's too much hassle and I'm willing to bet over 90% of subscribers are in the same situation.

TLDR: If you want this game to work BioWare, make grouping faster/easier.

I'd rather level an alt than spam fleet for groups. Once the LFD hits, I'll be spending a lot more time with my end game toons.

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Whatever you say lol... You took my words out of context btw and you're quote merits no other response.

I agree with you SWTOR isn't for HardCore players but I didn't assume anything about this game it's just not a complete MMO by a long shot.
While you are not as clueless as some here I have to say that i disagree about Diablo 3. That game is simple yet so amazingly fun and entertaining!, The "story" is way more fun than anything in SWTOR.

Right, and just because chess is a 2 player game doesen't mean you can't play it solo too but thats not what I'm saying.

When you subscribe to a mmo, you're trading off what single player games do better to "join raids and such."

Thats why not.

You say theres too many closed minded people on the forums because why? Oh yeah because they don't agree with you and thats what you call "open minded" of course.

[Opinion]

For me it's about the journey. I've never understood the rush to end game, and the recent trend to flatten leveling curves.

When people talk about 'old school' all the time, I cringe a bit. I don't like corpse runs, xp loss and de-leveling on death, overly hard play that requires big groups to get anything done. I don't miss 'any' of that.

I do miss the leveling process, however. Quests really helped with that by the time WoW got their hands on it. DAoC had 'some' of that every level. There were 3 or 4 you could do, maybe get you 25% through, then back to grinding. I always thought then that a game should 'constantly' have quests like that.

(not that I also don't have a place in my heart for a sand box, but that is another thread)

What then happened is they started flattening the curves, to the point where we have something like Rift now, which was just crazy. I wanted to do 'all' the quests, because that's what I like to do, and between that and rifts and such, everything was grey. I maxed out and had several zones to go.

There's a little of that here, thankfully it's a bit slower, but I think it could be slower still. I think the first 15 are fine, but it really needs to get steep from there.

[again, opinion] I think the 'end game is the beginning' came out of two things:

1. Gamers that have been around awhile, and many of them playing WoW for 'years', got used to just being at cap, and getting lots of new things to do. Now many of them just expect to start up a new game, get to the end, and have the same amount of stuff to do, otherwise why not just do that other thing?

2. The newer generation of players trying out MMOs are coming from consoles, and that's 'awesome'! Welcome! I don't want PC gaming to die, and for that to happen, we need to get your excited to try it out and stay! Having said that, you are used to plopping down with Call of Duty et al and 'bam', you are awesome (other than physically 'skilling' up to learn the game mechanics and get better at it as you play). Those games are like getting a maxed out character on e-bay for an MMO and off you go. So they look at us old foggies, and wonder why we want to play a game where our CoD character comes in naked, and we really don't get to 'start playing' for 5 months.

I have no answers. Just some opinions there, and where I stand relative to what I like. Carry on folks.