The end of the arguement. Is SWTOR in decline? Can it be saved?

Not true. SR responded to players who were asking about their accounts which were not currently signed up to auto-bill their next month, and told them that they were included in the 30-free giveaway.

no he didn't that's the funny part about it.

One quick thing I've noticed in this thread. The yesmen running apologetics campaigns will often say "all games are dying but X standard" but then they almost always go on to list titles that are 5+ years old, or else they mention titles that I would have called failed games.

The semantics argument about when a game is "dead" is usually incredibly disingenuous.

Yes, as long as they had an active account. By the ramblings of people on the forums, most people have already quit (and we're past the three month subscription renewal).

No it doesnt I canceled but my subs not run out and it still gave me it, it goes to people whom canceled to try get them to hang around longer, the point people are making is the game wasnt even ready to be relased hence if it had 1yr more development time it might been a sucess but as it stands now cause of the rush release for a cash grab it has failed. Standards of MMOS in 2012 are much greater than Standards of MMO's from 2003. Technology has advanced so much that they have no excuse for these problems anymore.

I agree it a statement of our society it is full of yesmen, just accepting what is offered to a dinner table even if it stinks. Why do we even live in a world were our way of life is a struggle in itself that we work to live, doesnt sound like a world created by God maybe the Devil has something to do with it. Wouldnt that be a suprise to all Atheists that the Devil was rulling the world right now. Why do rich get richer and poor get poorer. Why we living in a society were we accept the injustices nearly everyone is a yesman.

I mean come on they use a engine from like 5yrs ago and graphics arnt even on par with wows curent ones.

lol. xD

I'm pretty sure this game looks a lot like WoW, but with Star Trek's lens flare.

Except if they released one year later, it would have never been released. This game has already been held back... for how long? Look at Duke Nukem. They pushed back countless times trying to change the game.. and what do we get? Not to mention the costs required if it was released a year later. They would've just scrapped it to save them the even more money it would have cost them.

And MMOs have to be designed from the ground up. Sure, technology has advanced, but every company still has to build up the structure for their MMO. It's not like anything else designwise.