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Why non-stop alt leveling will fail.

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Why non-stop alt leveling will fail.

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JeramieCrowe
04.21.2012 , 03:30 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Well I managed to level 2 characters to max level in largely different ways in Rift vanilla and LOTRO vanilla, no idea about EQ2, neither had the options EQ1 (had "best" zones, but at least 2-3 per level range) or WoW had (WoW had at least 2 completely different paths per faction at launch, might even have been 3), although in LOTRO with only 1 faction that was the same amount of paths (although in LOTRO you could get to L20 ish in 4 seperate ways with vanilla, it only closed in a bit after that)

I think another problem with SWTOR's levelling is the sheer linearity of it as well, it fails to draw the mind away from the path taken (which on several worlds feels exactly like a corridor), in a strange way the class quest doesn't help with this as it is leading you by the nose through levelling areas to a degree.
I don't know how you managed to do that in RIFT. I played since Head Start. I had 8 characters, barely managed to get 2 to 50, and the second time through I wanted to beat my head against the wall because it was EXACTLY THE SAME. I couldn't even go to any other zones as an alternative, except for Droughtlands instead of IPP. That's a LOT less difference than TOR's, not to mention some of the worst lore I've ever experienced.
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Skuldar
04.21.2012 , 06:34 AM | #42
For me, leveling alts in SWtOR is more fun than in other MMOs but less fun than in single-player RPGs, even counting Bioware's own. I'm struggling to stay interested in alts significantly more than I did in ME and ME2 and slightly more than in DAO. The SWtOR story lines are good, but the amount of grind to get through them seems insufficient for the payoff once you've already gotten one character to 50. If I could just skip the non-story content on alts while magically being awarded the XP and items they would have provided, that would help, but then I'd lose out on potential decisions and ls/ds points. The repetition of the non-story content saps too much fun, and that repetition is worsened by every class being a glorified pet class. I'm not sure why that seems to bother me more in SWtOR than it did in the Mass Effect series, but it does. Partly it's because I could get through a run of ME in a fraction of the time it takes to get to 50 in SWtOR, so the action-to-grind ration is very different.

The other thing is, alts are the only thing I'm doing right now. Dailies bore me silly for too little reward. I'm not into PvP or raiding. So yeah, maybe an MMO just isn't a good fit; I'm open to that possibility after playing half a dozen of them over the last 10+ years.

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MaulIsGod
04.21.2012 , 06:42 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by DrSlate View Post
There's a little problem with your math. When you level up alts, many of the quests are the same. You just fly through those without watching the story cuz you already know it. It is much faster to level up alts while enjoying the story than your formula assumes.
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illgot
04.21.2012 , 06:45 AM | #44
I do not care about story. I did not care about story in WoW, AOC, AO, EQ, UO, etc. The only time I cared a little about the story was in Asheron's Call and only because each month they rolled out a new story and content.

I am not a Star Wars fan. I came here with friends who were and they all moved to more populated servers. I personally am only playing TOR until I can play GW2 or TSW, both of which I know nothing about.

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Gruug
04.21.2012 , 06:55 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
I do not care about story. I did not care about story in WoW, AOC, AO, EQ, UO, etc. The only time I cared a little about the story was in Asheron's Call and only because each month they rolled out a new story and content.

I am not a Star Wars fan. I came here with friends who were and they all moved to more populated servers. I personally am only playing TOR until I can play GW2 or TSW, both of which I know nothing about.
Then why bother at all. Seriously. Many of us play the games WE want to play. I never play one just because my friends want to. I am not a follower.

Back on topic. I enjoy leveling alts. I have done so in every MMO I have ever played. In fact, there is little reason to play character past max level in most other MMO anyway as I feel the content just is never there. That is not to say that I do not like the "events" (there has only been one so far) in SWTOR. But, it only last so long and then I need something more interesting to do then just "grinding" commendations. OPs and FPs are fun but I can't do that all the time. And no thank you to PvP. So, alts is the only really fun aspect of any MMO...more so in SWTOR.


Give me an MMO that I can visit and have fun! Where what I pay for is not going to those that play for free.

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Holinyx
04.21.2012 , 07:00 AM | #46
"Why on earth would anyone in their right mind look forward to leveling something to max (Which is the main goal in the first place). Only to stop and do the same thing all over again ?"


in order to enjoy the unique story line, and unique playing ability of different classes.
THAT is what bioware marketed to us. not endgame and getting to 50 in a week.

if all you care about is endgame and you only plan on doing the 1-50 thing once, this is probably not the game for you. This game is only 4 months in. We don't have years worth of end game raiding Expansions yet. go back to that game which will not be named.
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Myem
04.21.2012 , 07:00 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by LupieZero View Post
Reasons I play SWTOR - (In order of importance to me.)

Story - I love the story lines. Being as there are 8 classes, and I consider myself a casual gamer (I've been playing almost 3 weeks and just finished Chapter 1 on my IA), I think I'll be fine for a while.
Space Combat - reminds me of the "way back" of X-Wing and Tie Fighter...
It's the best Sci-Fi MMO I've played.
It's freaking Star Wars!
<various miscellaneous reasons>
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End-game Raiding
PvP
And, End-game raiding and PvP do not even make my list.

I read somewhere before release the devs built in 200 hours of play time per character (if someone chooses to play it). Last week I checked on my level 48 Bounty Hunter and she has been /played 7 days and some odd hours So, by 50, I expect she should see those 200 hours,. She has not done one flashpoint, one space battle nor stepped in to one warzone. There is plenty of content to be done before level 50. Even when I choose not to do all that is offered.

If people want to race to 50, skipping what has been put there for them to experience, that is how they have chosen to play, But, please, don't say MOST people play that way because in reality you don't know how MOST people like to play.

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illgot
04.21.2012 , 07:02 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Gruug View Post
Then why bother at all. Seriously. Many of us play the games WE want to play. I never play one just because my friends want to. I am not a follower.
Great for you, but the few friends I have, and have had for over 25 years, live in different states now. Egocentric much?

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Doamy
04.21.2012 , 07:07 AM | #49
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Hyfy
04.21.2012 , 07:09 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Doamy View Post
Actually, I assume most people roll alts for one of a few reasons
- Bank and crafting alts
- Different combat roles to help fill spots (not exclusive to ops)
- To discover a play-style they enjoy
- To see NEW content.

The first 3 may or may not care for the content as they work toward that goal. This thread seems to be focused on the last type.

I guess my point is, how do people put up with the huge amount of repetition to see that new stuff?
See that's what I was trying to allude to though, there is enough new stuff just going with different classes and AC's that it doesn't feel like a whole lot of repetition. At least in the realm of class quests.
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