Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

Situation: I see one of the top shadows on our server with the ball on our side going to score. I check resolve - it's empty, noone near him. I throw Sorc's CC - no effect. Stun - no effect. He scores, gets into hide, and then 3 hits for me and i'm dead.

Ok.

You used your CC tools when the shadow was using his tech/force immunity. Thus using your tools at the wrong time.

The shadow was behind the final fire on the path to the goal line. I know he was there because he does not have force leap to reach that position, the tech/force immunity cannot last long enough from any other location, and force speed does not last long enough from any other location. You did not stop the ball carrier who passed the ball to the shadow who was in a location in which he could score from.

There were no warrior or powertech types to leap to the shadow, as that would have slowed him. You also lacked a class which could have pulled him.

When he is recieving the pass he would not have used his tech/force immunity, he would have waited until after the pass was finished. You could have stunned, pulled, or knocked the shadow down in that time.


The failure here, as I assumed, was not defending ones side correctly, not trying to make sure someone was not stealthed in a scoring position, not preventing the ball carrier from passing, not using tools at the correct time, and lacking the tools to stop a scorer who is so close to the goal line. These are actions that stop my assassin all the time, and actions I use to stop others.

i was amazed when i looked through the patch notes and see operatives getting nerfed again and assassins not changing. i have a 50 assassin (my mains a marauder though). i couldnt believe it. tank assassins in dps gear are by far the most overpowered class with way too many tools.

ive since unsubscribed to the game but ill stick around till my subscription runs out. ill come back in a year when bioware has hopefully gotten the game straightened out (or EA does to SWTOR what it did to earth and beyond.)

Well, stealth shouldn't always be able to be countered or else what's the point of it? The risk, as you say, is that if your opponent does get the counter off successfully, well then you die and they get to cap the objective.

By the way, here's another hint: if you immediately use an AoE (either a ground target or something that doesn't need a target) on the spot the Shadow vanished and you hit them, it will put you both back into combat even if they have Resilience up and they resist the attack. That means they can't mez you. You have to be fast though, in case they were saving Force Speed. So more counters and counter-counters. It's little things like this that can separate the really good players from the average player.

That is not correct. The republic beats us all the time on my server.

If you are in DPS gear, does that not make you a DPS? If not, which part of darkness spec actually makes you a tank more than max health and defense?

Is that what it is?

I've noticed being leapt to a number of times and not being rooted, but I wasn't sure what was going on, and I couldn't replicate it normally.

Good to know.

I thought it was obvious, but since the training dummy has identical defenses versus any player, if you can outdo 9600 (which I don't think is impossible) in 2 GCDs you'd be able to do it to the same training dummy as well. Conversely, if you cannto do more than 9600 damage to a training dummy in 2 GCDs then your burst is also lower than a simple 3 stack HD FL + the usual.

Hmmm I noticed more than one person fail to get this. It doesn't matter if the training dummy has no defenses or no armor (even if it's true, and it's not because I hit the dummy for less damage than my tooltip damage). Force Lightning doesn't have any properties that interact with defense (it doesn't miss) or armor (it is a standard energy attack). It also has no range on its damage (it does exactly the same damage each time). If Force Lightning hits the dummy for 9600, and someone else's attack hits for 19200 then you can reasonably assume the later attack would hit twice as hard on a real target. Unless you assume the number reported by the dummy is completely random, it serves as a good way to look at where classes stand in burst DPS.

Actually, QQers such as yourself who would rather come and complain to the forums and beg for nerfs as opposed to learn how to fight against the other class are what RUIN MMO's. Take people like you for example.

My shadow has been nothing but infiltration spec since day one. Since 1.2 and how fast you can go down or something as I dont remember going own so fast, I switched to the tank tree but kept the dps gear. Im in full BM with 2 WH pieces. Ive done the reading, some claim the class/spec combo is OP but I disagree. What I feel is im now a support character. Yes im doing some damage but im throwing out guards and mass mind controls for protection. My Slow Time is reducing enemy speed and reducing enemy damage. My force breach is reducing enemy accuracy. My force stuns and spinning kicks are increasing damage dealt to that target from all players. I feel like a red mage/black mage again.

I dont feel like im over powered, I felt more over powered as infiltration, at least from a damage stand-point. I could burst down alot of classes real fast. I always had a 2:1 ratio of kills to killing blows, always at the top of the leader boards. With the Tank spec, im surviving better, I will win alot of 1 on 1's, and yes im doing alot of damage but its not the type of damge that is troublesome. Im taking 1500-2000 hp off of 3-5 characters at a time with Slow Time, easily healable. Every minute and if the conditions are right, I get to use my telekinetic throw for 6 ticks of 1200-1800 damage over 3 seconds. Thats my damage money maker and at best, does around 12k damage. As infiltration, I could burst down 10-18k every 45 seconds. That makes you a very popular target and I consider myself a good pvp player with a well respected reputation. I was getting focused too much, I could feel it, I could see it, people were just paying too much attention too me. When things are good, would get 50+ kills with half being killing blows. Now take what I just did in a huttball match, 380k dmg with only 22 kills and 6 killing blows. My damage is easily healable, im more of a pest now, I help a team win now with my debuffs. Im not supposed to go down quick like a healer is not supposed to go down easily.

Im about to ding valor rank 80 and I will continue to play this tree for awhile. You nerf this one, your gonna make infiltration better and I would gladly go back.