Tank Assassins (and Shadows) are ruining PvP.

Especially the set up time required for that heal. The self healing was never anything that really bothered me to be totally honest.

That post shows 31/0/10 tanks well below DPS specs, by like 300 DPS. In FULL RAKATA Stalker gear, mind you.

Is this the right link? <.<

Or are you talking about the 27/0/14 hybrid, because I thought this thread was about 31/0/10 tanks in DPS gear.

The damage distribution on the 31/0/10 is in no ways optimal for any scenario since Thrash nets you negative DPS in 31/0/10.

This is a PvP thread in the PvP forum, though.

You will not be using an optimal rotation at all times in PvP; that's not how it works.

So provide some of those facts and numbers. I provided some which show Shadows are balanced right where they're supposed to be. I've yet to see anyone provide any numbers to show otherwise. It's nothing but 'Shadows are overpowered because I said so' with nothing to back it up. Seems like you're the one in denial since you can't back up anything you say with any actual facts or numbers.

Using Tharsh is still negative DPS even in PvP when you're in 31/0/10 because Wither is strictly better for everything. The only reason to use Thrash in 31/0/10 is to hit someone in Force Shroud.

27/0/14 obviously have to use Thrash since they do not have Wither.

I dunno if you noticed this, but Wither, Shock, Assassinate, and Discharge all have cds.

Sometimes you still need to hit people, and it's not always optimal to pool Force to use a target-dummy rotation in PvP, when you can easily capitalize on Energize procs, etc.

You can go on never using Thrash if you like, but I think that's kind of a silly notion when you have 4+ talents invested into making Thrash better. Not to mention its synergy w/ all of the Shock talents the build takes. It's a situational skill, sure, but FAR from useless in a 31/0/10 build in PvP.

PvP isn't all about DPS. If it were, there wouldn't be so many Tankasins around.

PS) Show me a parse of a Tankasin in DPS gear using an optimal rotation and outdps'ing any of the real DPS classes, because I haven't seen any. Everything I've seen shows Tankasins in DPS gear to be 2-300 dps below real DPS specs.

Only on some maps against some teams. Like PTs, most darkness dps comes from fewer rezes.

what I don't understand is this:

Guards/juggs have poor dps, and a crappy heal that cripples their dps.

tankasins have great dps, stealth, a cc that's usuable while stealthed, and has no cd, AND constants heal stream.

Oh, also, it's is CRAZY that their aoe taunt can be used while stealthed and doesn't break stealth. Seriously? The ENTIRE reason for taunt is to force you to attack someone.

Wither -> Shock -> FL -> Saber Strike irotation is already Force negative. Using Thrash just takes you to 0 even sooner.

Wither does more expected DPS than Thrash on a single target.

Because you cannot predict when Energize procs, you stil have to use Shock before you use Thrash, otherwise you could end up with just Thrashing repeatedly for no reason when you've bad luck.

I don't know what kind of conditions those test DPS parses are done (duration, CD usage, rotation) so there's no point to compare to them at this point. I'll say that based on just eyeballing, a Force-neutral rotation would never come close to these quoted numbersd, but that's not saying anything useful. I suspect those parses end long before they hit the 0 resource point because Darkness DPS parse should be far worse given the described rotation if the parse was for say 5 minutes.

I can certainly run some parses but I need to know what we're trying to accomplish here, i.e. max DPS in 30 seconds? Max DPS while Force-neutral?